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Old 03-15-2013, 11:39 AM   #91
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All I can think of is Henry Ford's famous quote:

"You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do."
Someone needs to email that to the MOTUS guys!
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:44 AM   #92
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If you could melt Roland Sands and Jesse Rooke into one person, they could design what a new Indian should be. Well suspended, over braked and as light as possible little hot rods.

500 pounds is a nice number, but that's extremely hard to do...look at the XR1200, 600 pounds and it looks pretty bare bones to me.
For HD, maybe.

R1200R? 500 lbs, with ABS, shaft drive (!) and a ~5 gallon tank, with fat tires. With a belt or chain drive, They should be able to swing it if they want to.

I'd accept ~530, I spose. 600 lbs would be pretty meh, maybe they'll need to make smaller engine for the smaller bike - but the 111 incher is all they have right now. How many pounds is the extra ~420cc going to weigh? as much as a shaft over a chain?

If they end up with a ~700 lb turd it will be form over function.
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:15 PM   #93
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not my cup of tea. but why be so worried about what other people buy and ride? YOU didn't pay for it.
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Old 03-15-2013, 03:43 PM   #94
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not my cup of tea. but why be so worried about what other people buy and ride? YOU didn't pay for it.
We're not. In fact, everybody here in the last few pages of this thread is being very polite, speculating on what Indian/Polaris should/could do with an iconic brand.

We are entitled to do so. It's what threads like this are all about.

Are you listening, Polaris?
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:15 PM   #95
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We're not. In fact, everybody here in the last few pages of this thread is being very polite, speculating on what Indian/Polaris should/could do with an iconic brand.

We are entitled to do so. It's what threads like this are all about.

Are you listening, Polaris?
Yeah, it's nice to see it decelerate out of plaid and into a civil discourse.

I hope Polaris is listening.


I love the potential this whole project has and what it could mean for American motorcycling.
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:16 PM   #96
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Didn't a Polaris VP say they were going to keep Indian as the upscale line versus Victory.
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:19 PM   #97
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not my cup of tea. but why be so worried about what other people buy and ride? YOU didn't pay for it.
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We're not. In fact, everybody here in the last few pages of this thread is being very polite, speculating on what Indian/Polaris should/could do with an iconic brand.

We are entitled to do so. It's what threads like this are all about.

Are you listening, Polaris?
I sincerely hope Polaris is listening! An engine that seems to hold so much promise deserves a platform that it can shine, both in appearance and performance - and a 700lb "parade float" won't cut it. The Munro tribute 'liner is a hopeful sign to me.

This thread (and ones like it) show why I like ADVrider more than any other site. Regardless of specific niche interest, it seems (to me, anyway) that most inmates have the experience and knowledge to know what's good design, what's more important (functional ability, reliability) and have an eye for good design (both mechanical and appearance). Look at the interest and enthusiasm in the CB1100, CB700X and Bolt threads. And when something like this motor appears, everyone hopes that it will end up in a bike that they just HAVE to buy, because it pushes all their buttons, and it's just what they've been waiting for.

Also, in this case, after so many botched attempts, some of us are just rooting for a successful reboot of a long departed, respected American brand.
If it worked for England and Triumph, why not the USA and Indian?
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:25 PM   #98
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Very nicely said, HapHazard.
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:14 PM   #99
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......almost everything not Harley has been unit construction for 40 years.
Well yea!
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Old 03-15-2013, 06:37 PM   #100
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very nicely said, haphazard.
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Old 03-15-2013, 11:06 PM   #101
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Didn't a Polaris VP say they were going to keep Indian as the upscale line versus Victory.
Yes. But, that doesn't mean they can't afford a little 'overlap' as far as retail pricing is concerned.

If they want to sell Indians, they have to sell Scouts. In the Teen$.

Besides that, Scouts were the Indians with all the race pedigrees, visa vie Harley-Davidsons. Chiefs were the upshot, for the deep pocket crowd.
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Old 03-16-2013, 09:37 AM   #102
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If they end up with a ~700 lb turd it will be form over function.

Done right 700 pounds can be pretty nimble/fast. Needs a good solid frame, top quality suspenders and fantastic huge brakes with a big power 111 engine to give it a good workout.

My 900 pound Goldwing proves that formula, it's hard to believe it's that heavy when rolling down the road.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:07 PM   #103
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Done right 700 pounds can be pretty nimble/fast. Needs a good solid frame, top quality suspenders and fantastic huge brakes with a big power 111 engine to give it a good workout.

My 900 pound Goldwing proves that formula, it's hard to believe it's that heavy when rolling down the road.
perhaps, but done right 500 lbs can be even better
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:20 PM   #104
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perhaps, but done right 500 lbs can be even better

No doubt there, but 700 wouldn't be complete junk if it was done right. I'd much rather a fast little 500 pound bobber.

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Old 03-16-2013, 03:40 PM   #105
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When I look at that 111 lump I see 300 pounds sitting there and no bike.
I tend to agree, that twin is good looking, but it's looks to be a big chunky lump. (I have dated girls that fit that description 'tho & it's been a lot of fun!)

The solution I would recommend, if Polaris is listening, is cut one of those pots off & throw it away. Vincent once made a cracking 500cc thumper that way. A 900cc single could be done today, with modern ECU control over spark advance/compression release. (otherwise you'd need a 100 lb. starter motor) Put in the right frame, with proper suspenders & brakes, I think they could come up with a modern American Scout. Sort of an old BSA Goldie on steroids.
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