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Old 12-14-2013, 09:34 AM   #1276
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Adding 4-6" to a wheelbase that is already 68"?

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Old 12-14-2013, 10:03 AM   #1277
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Adding 4-6" to a wheelbase that is already 68"?
I can't tell for sure. I'm mentally drawing a line through the steering head, to the ground and it looks like that bike would have negative trail--virtually unrideable with that fork as-designed. If the fork were designed properly, it looks like it could be done with the factory geometry.
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Old 12-14-2013, 10:25 AM   #1278
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Yup, me too!

That and and that candy red paint, please! Otherwise, leave the factory upholstery from the Vintage and the stock front wheel.

I bought my first Excelsior Henderson before the fate of the company had been decided. One of the rumors was that they were going to discontinue the springer front fork because it added $1,800 to the retail cost of every bike and I wanted one.

Harley had the same issue with their springer front end.

If Indian offers that fork, it will be at quite a premium. Worth it, IMO.
The paint job looked great in 1995. Do you think there is any possibility that fork will still be "billet" aluminum if it goes into production? It's pretty scary looking. What does the EH front end thing weight?
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Old 12-14-2013, 10:44 AM   #1279
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The paint job looked great in 1995.
I happen to like candy paint.
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Do you think there is any possibility that fork will still be "billet" aluminum if it goes into production? It's pretty scary looking. What does the EH front end thing weight?
I couldn't imagine the fork being machined aluminum in production. I'm not sure it would be strong enough for all the tests a production bike would have to pass.

The rear half of the EH fork was a complicated weldment of forged and cast steel parts (black in this photo). I don't know what the assembly weighs but, it has to be a bunch.



The rear half of the EH fork was black on most of the production bikes. One model had a factory-chromed rear fork and they did the front "springer" tubes with black accents. I bought one of those factory leftovers and just that part happens to be here right now...hang on...get the fish scale...holy crap! 28 pounds just for the rear fork!

Engineering-wise, it's a horribly inefficient design. The front tubes have all the mass of a conventional telescopic fork (probably more) but, carry nothing except the vertical weight of the motorcycle. The rear forks have to deal with all the braking, lateral and steering loads. Doesn't matter. It's pretty. It's retro. It was a signature part of the motorcycle. That's why I wanted it.
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Old 12-14-2013, 11:19 AM   #1280
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Old 12-14-2013, 01:05 PM   #1281
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I happen to like candy paint.
It's not the color, it's the graphics. They oppose the styling of the bike. The polished aluminum girder isn't right either. Black would be a lot better but it wouldn't draw attention to all the machine work that made the fancy "billet" suspension.
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Old 12-14-2013, 02:15 PM   #1282
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I saw the Indians at the NYC Progressive show. Not my cup of teas buit nice for their type and all, seem well screwed together; but man are they big/long/wide!


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Old 12-14-2013, 02:58 PM   #1283
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I am digging that girder front end....
I'm into cruisers these days and I pretty well like all bikes. But, um, maybe it will grow on me.
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Old 12-14-2013, 07:14 PM   #1284
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Where form beats the ever livin' hell out of function.
Not that it justifies the weight or cost, that fork does have anti-dive properties: honk on the brake going into a turn and the dive is zero. It's also very plush riding. (I'm also a fan of the Rune front fork--since I know you're a Gold Wing geek )

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It's not the color, it's the graphics.
I'm with you on the graphics--I just like the candy paint.

The challenge with the girder fork--IMO--is the angle required for the legs to put the axle where it needs to be. On the legacy design, the fork legs are at a steeper angle than the steering head. Most people would look at a modern version of this geometry and probably hate it, even though that's what it requires to make it work.

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Old 12-15-2013, 12:44 AM   #1285
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Not that it justifies the weight or cost, that fork does have anti-dive properties: honk on the brake going into a turn and the dive is zero. It's also very plush riding. (I'm also a fan of the Rune front fork--since I know you're a Gold Wing geek )


I'm with you on the graphics--I just like the candy paint.

The challenge with the girder fork--IMO--is the angle required for the legs to put the axle where it needs to be. On the legacy design, the fork legs are at a steeper angle than the steering head. Most people would look at a modern version of this geometry and probably hate it, even though that's what it requires to make it work.

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Old 12-15-2013, 01:34 AM   #1286
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Old 12-15-2013, 11:49 AM   #1287
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Or the Confederate Wraith.
How about something that was actually produced in any sort of quantity.
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Old 12-15-2013, 01:46 PM   #1288
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I can't tell for sure. I'm mentally drawing a line through the steering head, to the ground and it looks like that bike would have negative trail--virtually unrideable with that fork as-designed. If the fork were designed properly, it looks like it could be done with the factory geometry.
Rough Photoshop drawing, but it looks like it has some trail to me...

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Old 12-15-2013, 04:00 PM   #1289
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Old 12-19-2013, 01:10 PM   #1290
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It sounds like the local Harley Dealer in Salt Lake has picked up Indian now. I don't know the details yet.

I hope this doesn't mean my experience with Troy from the Vegas facility and this new development mean that Indian is going to start acting like Harley used to do.
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