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Old 07-03-2013, 12:38 PM   #46
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the cross cub is built by honda in Japan, not that many under honda license manufacturers anymore, last one I can think of is Wuyang honda in China Hero in india used to be one but now split from honda, in reference to the CB223 mentioned earlier it wasn't a worldwide bike as such as the Cub the SR400 yes sold abit as the SR500 in other countries but didn't sell well that is the difference the CB1100 brings the nostalgia of the CB750 that sold well the cub sold well I can still find 25 good ones on gumtree or ebay right now in the UK, if priced right will sell well abroad but since its built in japan I doubt that cheap honda bikes are built in Thailand to save costs the cross cub is a lower production bike than the grom "MSX" 125 which can be sold at a competitive price due to where its produced.
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:52 PM   #47
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I see the CB223 as a bike that brings the nostalgia of the CB125, CB175, CB200 and every other variants of small displacement vintage Honda motorcycles. Those sold well in the US. However, this is only one of the variables a manufacturer must consider when thinking about introducing a model to a new market.
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:34 PM   #48
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the CB223 does look nice but haven ridden a bike with that engine its rather gutless very slow in delivery when i've grown acustom to singles that thump and make its presence known the now discontinued Honda CB400SS would of been nice but compared to the SR400/500 it never sold in the same manner or fashion.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:53 PM   #49
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Rather than the Trail, this looks more like an updated Postie. It would be a viable urban bike, much more so than the hoards of 50s that people are buying now.

From what I can see there is a small steady market for these things that SYM has already tapped into with the Symba. I just don't see the vast pent up demand that some wish for. If that were true Symba's would be flying out the door.

My understanding was that "postie" was a name given to the original CT-90 and CT-110, in countries like the U.K. and Australia, where they ride on the wrong side of the road. It was adopted by letter carriers, because it's lack of a clutch left that hand free to put mail in boxes with. In the U.S., where we drive on the right side of the road, they use small jeeps and vans with right hand drive so they can pull right up to mailboxes.


Sadly I don't see a market here for such a bike either. There are plenty of small 125-150cc scooters available in the same price range as those bikes would be in, and they require no shifting. Even more sad is the fact that 90% of the scooters around here are Chinese. I pass 150cc Chinese scooters all the time on my Vino and Zuma. I have to admit that small scooters (NOT 50cc) are great for around town use, and have all that storage space. But I would like a small bike with a manual transmission I could climb mountains with, and had at least dirt road capability. The Trail 110 or that Cross Cub seems to be ideal. Of course the same thing can be done on a small displacement dual sport, but I just like the CT-110 and that off road version of the Cross Cub. Unfortunately not enough people would like it for it to be worthwhile for Honda to bring it here.


Just from looking at the pictures and video, it appears that the Cross Cub is of much higher quality than the Symba. Having once owned a Honda Passport, and having given the Symba a good looking over, I'm sure the Passport was heavier and had more solid, robust parts. I know the chain adjusters and chain case on the Honda were heavier and stronger. I doubt the Symba would meet Honda's standards.


I just looked up the CB223. Great looking little bike. Looks a lot like the TU250. Unfortunately it does not appear to have a centerstand either.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:55 PM   #50
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the term "postie" is purely in Australia and New zealand, having a automatic clutch would make no difference in having a free hand unless your going to ride on the pavement the postal carrier would still have to get off the bike to post the mail into a letter box.
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Old 07-03-2013, 09:30 PM   #51
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Before we start writing-off the Symba... it is RTW capable. Just search for the trip report Worth reading.
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Old 07-05-2013, 09:40 AM   #52
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Symba weighs more than a Passport. I have a Passport, and rode a Symba for a year. Overall, the Symba is twice the bike. An updated Passport, AKA Cross Cub might be, probably would be, a different story.
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Old 09-12-2013, 02:07 AM   #53
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the Aussie's have decided to replace the old Postie bike with the newer Cross cub

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/572...le-postie-bike
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Old 09-12-2013, 03:08 PM   #54
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the Aussie's have decided to replace the old Postie bike with the newer Cross cub

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/572...le-postie-bike
Awesome - that should guarantee another good, long production run! Hard to tell from the photo, but it does appear like the rear rack is chrome plated, vs. the painted rack on the earlier showbike prototypes - a good move, IMO. Love the lime/tan/black color scheme. As much as I am pining for a Grom, I think I'd rather own one of these (as a former CT90 & CT110 owner) - hopin' like he!! they bring 'em here to the States...
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Old 09-13-2013, 02:23 AM   #55
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Having a carbed air cooled engine. a manual transmission (meaning it will climb mountains without destroying the engine) drum brakes, and a centerstand, I would already own a Symba, except for one problem. It will not carry my weight plus about 50 pounds of stuff. Carter Bros originally gave it a weight capacity of only 200 pounds, when Alliance (Lance) took over they raised it to 300 pounds. But no changes were made to it, so I am wondering if that 300 pound weight capacity is just wishful thinking, or advertising. Yes, I have seen pictures of a Honda Cub carrying a family of 5 with a pig strapped on the back, but I don't really think it works that way. When I read about it having issues with broken spokes, which is just something that should not happen on a street bike, I kind of took that as an indication of how well the whole bike was built, and that it would not be a good idea to load it to it's max capacity.
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Old 09-13-2013, 11:45 AM   #56
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... so I am wondering if that 300 pound weight capacity is just wishful thinking, or advertising.
Or a simple tire upgrade, maybe?
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Old 09-14-2013, 02:59 PM   #57
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Or simply an overly conservative lawyer working for the previous importer?
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Old 09-20-2013, 07:43 AM   #58
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I love the looks of these things! A modern ct90.
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Old 11-27-2013, 08:13 AM   #59
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Visordown just had a small article on the Cross Cub. Maybe they will start EU distribution next year?

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...cub/24076.html

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Old 11-29-2013, 03:31 PM   #60
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Already got one, the original Honda Adventure bike

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