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Old 10-30-2014, 08:44 AM   #1
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1190 electrical capacity with stock accessories

I have a 2014 1190 standard. It is fitted with a number of KTM Powerparts accessories and I am wondering whether I have the capacity to use a heated jacket with these.

I have fitted on the bike (though not necessarily running simultaneously) Heated grips, Heated seat (rider only, no pillion) and the KTM auxiliary lights. There seems to be limited information as to the "surplus" power generation from the standard alternator which I believe has a 450 watt capacity.

Can anyone tell me whether I have sufficient capacity to run a heated jacket or will I have to turn off my headlights and grips if I do?
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Old 10-30-2014, 11:00 AM   #2
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Electrical excess

MarchHare,

It has always seemed odd to me why many "Adventure" bikes have such meager charging systems. You appear to have added a number of energy consuming items to your bike from stock. My heated gear supplier, Gerbings, recommends turning off your gear when riding slowly or in town. Depending how cold it is where you live/ride this may be a no win proposition. You might fit a volt meter to your bike so you can monitor the energy demand and shut down items when the voltage dictates. Unfortunately finding a quality volt meter to use on a bike had proven impossible.

ADV bike makers need to fit a proper regulated robust charging system to our bikes to allow us to add the normal accessories we often use.

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Old 10-30-2014, 04:47 PM   #3
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Just hook all your stuff up and get it running how you like it then go into the menu and look at the volt reading to see if your battery is charging or discharging . Check different RPM's so you know what it is going to do say cursing down the freeway at 75 vrs just at idle. You can also change out all the bulbs for LED's also and free up some power. $150 will get you a full LED headlight kit (plug and play) from Cyclops and good headlights also! Adventure Designs has LED kits for the turn signals.
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Old 10-31-2014, 01:55 AM   #4
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Sounds like a practical approach. I have the volts on my favourites, generally it shows 13.9 volts. At what level should I be concerned?
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Old 10-31-2014, 08:46 AM   #5
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To my understanding, the 1190 has one of the best charging systems out there.

Still, always best to have everything turned off when starting/stopping the motor. Volt guage is always nice to keep an eye on.
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Old 10-31-2014, 09:43 AM   #6
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no concerns needed

My 1190 has heated seats front and rear, heated grips, LED auxiliary lights and my spouse and I both use heated jackets in the winter. Voltage stay at 13.9, no issues.

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Old 10-31-2014, 09:55 AM   #7
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To my understanding, the 1190 has one of the best charging systems out there.

Still, always best to have everything turned off when starting/stopping the motor. Volt guage is always nice to keep an eye on.
Well it may be the best but not the most powerful according to mfg specs. The Tiger has over double the power at 950 Watt!
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Old 10-31-2014, 12:51 PM   #8
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When i talked to my KTM mechanic about the volts on the screen he said there is about a .4 volt difference from the actual battery and whats shown on the screen. What i would do is put a meeter on you battery hook all you gear up at the max temp and test. First give your battery a full charge and then let it rest for a few hours then measure what that is, probably going to be around 12.75 V or more. At idle your battery is going to discharge so just watch the meter at different rpm's and see if the battery is charging or discharging the battery should see around 12.7 V to keep it from discharging. Now you know what rpm's you need to keep the bike at to keep the gear from discharging the battery. Go ride!
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Old 10-31-2014, 01:35 PM   #9
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Well it may be the best but not the most powerful according to mfg specs. The Tiger has over double the power at 950 Watt!

Yes, but do you need that much wattage? Gold Wings put out around 1100, and that starts a 6 cyl with a million gadgets. Do i really want to strap on an alternator of that size on lightweight v-twin?

Note that the larger the alternator, the more it'll put a strain on the power delivery while adding weight. Not that it'll effect the 1190 mill in any way; you could cut out 30hp, and it's still a beast.


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Old 10-31-2014, 02:42 PM   #10
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True there is a tipping point when the wattage available becomes unneeded and adds weight to the machine. I am assuming the 1290 will need more wattage to run semi-active suspension, CC/HHC/MSR processes and cornering lights, making less available for GPS/Phone/Camera/Vid Camera/tablet/heated clothing, etc. But that extra 12 HP should help with that issue.
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Think of it this way, most automotive alternators only put out 150-200 amps
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Think of it this way, most automotive alternators only put out 150-200 amps
Triumph must have got a killer deal on those 80 amp alternators or they are like bigweld and saw a need so they filled a need.
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When i talked to my KTM mechanic about the volts on the screen he said there is about a .4 volt difference from the actual battery and whats shown on the screen. What i would do is put a meeter on you battery hook all you gear up at the max temp and test. First give your battery a full charge and then let it rest for a few hours then measure what that is, probably going to be around 12.75 V or more. At idle your battery is going to discharge so just watch the meter at different rpm's and see if the battery is charging or discharging the battery should see around 12.7 V to keep it from discharging. Now you know what rpm's you need to keep the bike at to keep the gear from discharging the battery. Go ride!
my bike shows the same voltage whether at idle or at 4000RPM with all loads switched ON, so I'm thinking the alternator already pushes out near maximum at idle
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:16 AM   #14
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my bike shows the same voltage whether at idle or at 4000RPM with all loads switched ON, so I'm thinking the alternator already pushes out near maximum at idle
...or is the healthy battery compensating by "topping up" the system? Clearly, if this was the case, then it can only go on for so long.....
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Old 11-01-2014, 07:06 AM   #15
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...or is the healthy battery compensating by "topping up" the system? Clearly, if this was the case, then it can only go on for so long.....
A regular battery is 12.6 volts at full charge. If your voltage is above that it is not possibly coming from the battery.
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