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Old 03-17-2013, 05:31 AM   #16
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I don't know if you swap a 1000cc motor into the 650 frame.
Aren't the 650/1000 frames the same?
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Old 03-17-2013, 05:43 AM   #17
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Aren't the 650/1000 frames the same?
No, only close. The engine mount positions are totally different.
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:07 AM   #18
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No, only close. The engine mount positions are totally different.
Yeah, I was doing my Evelyn Wood speed reading for non-comprehension thing and missed the fact that the bike is a DL650.

But how about swapping in the mill from an SV650? There's got to be lots of those things lying around that have been front-ended.
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Old 03-17-2013, 09:31 AM   #19
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But how about swapping in the mill from an SV650? There's got to be lots of those things lying around that have been front-ended.
I kind of fail to see the point. Having owned one SV650, and now on my 3rd DL650, they have just about the same power. But if its about availability then sure, an SV650 engine should fit in rather nicely. Fitting a 1000cc engine into the 650 frame might be a lot harder.
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Old 03-17-2013, 10:32 AM   #20
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No, only close. The engine mount positions are totally different.
That makes a lot of sense, actually. I've never worked on a 650, so I've learned something, today.
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:45 PM   #21
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I have considered a SV650 engine swap. There are many more of those available. I've wondered what would have to be done to get it to run well. Swap Cam shafts and use the DL fuel management?
Or try to get SV ECM and throttle bodies?

Also around Christmas time a crashed 2011 with 9000 miles came up at a nearby insurance auction house. I bid on it, but wasn't willing to pay as much as someone else. I think in the end it went for nearly $2000. Seemed like a lot for a crashed and unable to title bike, but the motor and rear end looked in tact.
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Old 03-17-2013, 04:45 PM   #22
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I have considered a SV650 engine swap. There are many more of those available. I've wondered what would have to be done to get it to run well. Swap Cam shafts and use the DL fuel management?
Or try to get SV ECM and throttle bodies?

Also around Christmas time a crashed 2011 with 9000 miles came up at a nearby insurance auction house. I bid on it, but wasn't willing to pay as much as someone else. I think in the end it went for nearly $2000. Seemed like a lot for a crashed and unable to title bike, but the motor and rear end looked in tact.
Good reason to go check out the thread at the Vstrom.info site. Even though the transplant was for the liter bike I'm guessing that the process would be similar. John, if I remember correctly, salvaged most of the electronics and peripherals as well as the engine. It was a non-trivial exercise but he seemed to be pretty pleased with the outcome.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:17 AM   #23
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Well I'm have a new plan of attack now.

I cleaned up and started measuring everything.....
So far all everything is measuing excellent.

I did the old mineral spirits leak check on the valves. They held fluid for well over an hour. I left it overnight and the rear cyl. lost some fluid, the front none. I've decided I'm not going to mess with the heads. I might put new valve stem seals on.

Partially lazy, partially cheap I'm going to put in new cam chains, hone the cylinders and re-ring the pistons, put it back together and go.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:32 AM   #24
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please keep us updated on this. post some pics of your progress if you can.
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:54 PM   #25
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Well I'm have a new plan of attack now.

I cleaned up and started measuring everything.....
So far all everything is measuing excellent.

I did the old mineral spirits leak check on the valves. They held fluid for well over an hour. I left it overnight and the rear cyl. lost some fluid, the front none. I've decided I'm not going to mess with the heads. I might put new valve stem seals on.

Partially lazy, partially cheap I'm going to put in new cam chains, hone the cylinders and re-ring the pistons, put it back together and go.
You should also lap the valves. Just a little bit of grinding to get them a bit better seal.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:37 PM   #26
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Don't the cylinders have some sort of nikasil coating? Not sure if honing is gonna fuck with that or not - anyone?
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:20 AM   #27
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Don't the cylinders have some sort of nikasil coating? Not sure if honing is gonna fuck with that or not - anyone?
Later model v-stroms do have nikasil or suzuki's version of it. My 2004 does not. I'm no expert on it but I believe nikasil usually gets a deglazing with aluminium oxide.

Last night I ordered a flex-hone in the proper size, new cam chains, and the motion pro tool to remove the magneto/alternator rotor. I tried with the snap-on standard gear puller, but it wasn't budging with gentle nudges and I didn't want to wreck anything.

Today I'll take a good look at the heads
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Old 03-20-2013, 07:26 AM   #28
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Don't the cylinders have some sort of nikasil coating? Not sure if honing is gonna fuck with that or not - anyone?
My 2007 Weestrom does not. It's possible the newer bikes with the gladius motor have it. Easy enough to check, since nikasil is a coating put onto aluminum, if your cylinder has a steel sleeve, you're good to hone/bore as you please.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:14 PM   #29
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All V-Stroms have SCEM coated steel liners according to the features list. Suzuki Composite Electrochemical Material is a nickel phosphorus-silicon-carbide proprietary coating.

Edit: After another look, I'm going to take that back, See post #33 here.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:33 PM   #30
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All V-Stroms have SCEM coated steel liners. Suzuki Composite Electrochemical Material is a nickel phosphorus-silicon-carbide proprietary coating.
Geez and here I thought one of the reason to have those coatings was to be able to reduce weight by deleting the steel liners?
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