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Old 03-23-2013, 12:52 AM   #76
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Law making should be consistent. That means it would be stupid to tolerate dangerous justifications such as "every restriction of freedom is allowed as long as it saves lifes" because one thinks "only things I don't like will be restricted". That's not so much about the slippery slope, but more about logical thinking. There have to be clear standards for law evaluation.
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:13 AM   #77
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Save your own life and keep your laws OFF my person.

Laws banning abortions save more lives... Are you against abortion as well?
now daky man i have to disagree

three people need emergency surgery

a smoker

a helmetless rider

a 25 yr old fell over in the shower( my niece or nephew, both us citizens)

one bed

you pick

i am pro abortion as well

a womans body is her own

i just like to use it sometimes, lol

cheers

ps don't take up bed space pls.

wear a lid.

ok none of this makes sense

just something to think about.
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:34 AM   #78
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I'd pick the one with the highest probability to survive the emergency surgery (dictated by logic). If that's the same for all three I'd pick whoever came through the door first (dictated by the constitutional principle that the worth of a human life can't be measured).
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Old 03-23-2013, 01:46 AM   #79
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I'd pick the one with the highest probability to survive the emergency surgery (dictated by logic). If that's the same for all three I'd pick whoever came through the door first (dictated by the constitutional principle that the worth of a human life can't be measured).
do doctors do that or save the one who in their opinion did not bring it on themself?
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:50 AM   #80
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All three are preventable, maybe there should be a law requiring the use of non slip mats for those too stupid to look after themselves.
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Old 03-23-2013, 03:16 AM   #81
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Yeah, it's a great idea to ride without a helmet, so
you can crash and die because you didn't have a helmet on.

So you die and your organs can be used to help people
who weren't as stupid and careless with the precious
gift of life as you were.

Really this is perfect. The more idiots who don't wear
helmets, the better.


The gene pool needs cleaning.


But one thing is certain : most of the rest
of the US is not interested in being told what is
good for them by some sanctimonious tool
from New York ( you or Bloomberg ). Some people are
stupid and nanny state bs is not ever going to change
that. They will ride without helmets and drink large sodas filled with
sugar and some of them will die as a result. And what exactly is it that
makes you think it is your business to try to change that ? You're just
making yourself known as a busybody fool by posting such pointless
nanny state ideas. Your own life must be pathetically sad and empty if this
is the best thing you can come up with to post on an internet forum.
Yep.


To the OP. If you have the right to tell me how to live my life, then certainly, I have the right to tell you how to live yours. Personally, I don't give two farts how you live yours, so stay out of mine.
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Old 03-23-2013, 04:47 AM   #82
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do doctors do that or save the one who in their opinion did not bring it on themself?
Ideal doctors would do that. Real world doctors would most probably pick the one who pays best. Arrogant, self-complacent doctors would pick based on their opinion of a compliant lifestyle.
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:07 AM   #83
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If the headline read: "18% more fatalities to general public caused by helmetless riders", then I'd say you had a point. But as it is, the assumption you're making is that riders who chose not to wear helmets account for the 18%. (which, by the way, is inaccurate)

But even using your well-meaning, but misguided interpretation of the statistics, where's the problem? A group of people made a decision, and they paid a consequence for it. Same as those who smoke, eat at McDonalds, or choose not to excise. Shall we legislate those actions as well?

Look around you -- the majority of people in your camp on this issue are non-riders. They can't understand why anyone would expose themselves to the risk of riding a motorcycle at all. After all, it's much more dangerous than driving a car. The argument your group is using today to support legislation of helmet use, is the same argument that will be used tomorrow to ban motorcycles in general.

On behalf of all motorcyclists: Thanks for your efforts!
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Old 03-23-2013, 05:44 AM   #84
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Sure wish I had a vote in who was advocating for me. I'd vote you off the board. You're too willing to give up my freedoms. You're arrogant, egotistic, and high & mighty. Glad you're not in my state.

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Guess what: You're in luck. Every big motorcycle "rights" organization has your back. Join ABATE. I'm sure you'll be very happy.

I don't get paid anything for my moto work. And, to be very, VERY clear: I'm not out there lobbying in favor of helmet laws. I'm lobbying for motorcycle only parking in NYC. I'm lobbying in favor of stopping the use of motorcycle safety funding for moto-only police checkpoints. I'm talking to folks about opening their minds to the idea of legal lane-splitting.

But if anyone asks me: Hell yes, I favor helmet laws. I also favor tierd licensing. And, mandatory MSF training.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:09 AM   #85
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now daky man i have to disagree

three people need emergency surgery

a smoker

a helmetless rider

a 25 yr old fell over in the shower( my niece or nephew, both us citizens)

ps don't take up bed space pls.

wear a lid.
Dead people don't take up bed space. Lidless riders die more often. Helmeted riders need hospitalization often. Try again.
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:13 AM   #86
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But if anyone asks me: Hell yes, I favor helmet laws. I also favor tierd licensing. And, mandatory MSF training.

PINKO Just say "NO!" to tierd licensing!



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Old 03-23-2013, 06:31 AM   #87
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There are far, FAR more motorcycles on the roads in Europe than in the US, so they must know a thing or two...
Like, how to give up their rights and freedoms easier, and how to be subjects, rather than citizens?



No thanks.

Live free or die...'Ring any bells? It should. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people have died young, and MILLIONS have risked dying young, and/or been physically and/or mentally debilitated so that you would have rights and freedoms to throw away. Thank you for taking their sacrifices so lightly. It serves as an example/reminder to the rest of us...what NOT to do, and how NOT to live our lives.
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:03 AM   #88
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Most people who ride lidless will most likely die from something as mundane as heart disease or some form of cancer.

I put synthetic oil on my helmet. It slides better than way.

I just wish I could afford Amsoil.
That...

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Old 03-23-2013, 07:10 AM   #89
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:51 AM   #90
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Like, how to give up their rights and freedoms easier, and how to be subjects, rather than citizens?



No thanks.

Live free or die...'Ring any bells? It should. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people have died young, and MILLIONS have risked dying young, and/or been physically and/or mentally debilitated so that you would have rights and freedoms to throw away. Thank you for taking their sacrifices so lightly. It serves as an example/reminder to the rest of us...what NOT to do, and how NOT to live our lives.
thank you, this is so important,FREEDOM ISN'T FREE! it comes at a price,sometimes paid by soldiers,sometimes by the blood of innocents. to give it up cavalierly is an insult to those who have defended those freedoms.
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