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Old 03-28-2013, 10:35 AM   #31
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Hmmmm.... Perhaps we need to do our own study. How's about we get a trip to Alaska, and have one or more of each bike involved?

I'll ride the 990 R for testing...
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:08 AM   #32
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It is funny how different people see things different. If you have ever competed a consumer reports owners survey there is a lot of room for opinion, not facts. The question is have you ever had a serious problem with your bike. I have owned 2 Hondas, combined 50,000 miles. 1 with a serious problems that was a rear wheel bearing. The thing that made it serious was it took the dealer 2 weeks to repair and I had to cancel a trip. I have had 2 Yamaha bikes no problems 2 kawa no problem and 2 beemers with 175,000 miles & no problems. I still think Japanese bike have better reliability but not as easy to fix. I however chose to ride what makes me feel the best. BMW!!!!
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:37 PM   #33
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The only thing I find interesting is the fact that they did a similar survey a few months ago on CARS. The BMW came up DEAD LAST, followed closly behind by VW. I can attest to the validity of the data... having a son who bought a brand new VW and had nothing but trouble with it from day 1. What's up with German engineering??? They used to make some of the best stuff.

Otherwise, no surprise that HD and other non-Japanese bikes are less reliable.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:15 PM   #34
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I'm surprised our favorite HD salesman hasn't chimed in on this subject.

He's a great guy, and frankly I don't blame him for trying to make a sale, but he swears HD is the best bike on the road.

In fact, we just had this conversation the other day. I told him I'm interested in a Yamaha Star, and he tried talking me into an HD FHXDKXWDGSDS or whatever they're called.



Sorry, DAKEZ.

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Old 03-28-2013, 04:23 PM   #35
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Every time I read something like this I thank doG that I got the only good one out of the thousands built. R1200GS bought new in September of 2004 and has 117370 trouble-free miles so far. Rear shock puked the oil out at 24k, replaced on warranty and an output shaft seal and a final drive seal replaced at regular service. She still has the original clutch and final drive probably due to being owned by a "mature" rider.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:40 PM   #36
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I can't speak to Japanese bikes reliability, BMW or Italian makes either but I've owned and ridden a bunch of Harleys and one Buell since 1970 and only had one bike strand me one time. A wheel bearing failure on my 2010 Road King. At 16,000 miles. That sorta pissed me off, last thing I'd expect to have let go at 16K. 90 miles from the nearest Harley dealer over Independence Pass, in a nice drizzling rain.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:13 PM   #37
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I miss my Moto Guzzi CRAP...are we going to have to buy two more bikes?? .... smaller house, bigger garage!!!

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Old 03-29-2013, 07:59 AM   #38
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Consumer Reports is where i turn to buy appliances like fridges, washers and cars. Motorcycles are visceral and there are so many uncontrolled variables.
Isn't that the truth.

I sold a KLR one time that I had put lots of miles on and really over-maintained and loved. I knew everything about that bike and as I was selling it I took the time to explain all the detailed maintenance and upgrades I had done. The guy buying the bike listened to my whole explanation and then said that he didn't do much maintenance. He said he generally changed the oil in stuff every few years and didn't buy into the hype of all the other things. WTH? As I watched the bike leave on a trailer it felt like I was selling one of my kids into indentured servitude.

My relationship with bikes is different. I bond with things and enjoy doing maintenance and keeping up with them. If there is a new noise or vibration I usually pick up on it right away and fix it. That is part of the ownership experience for me.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:30 AM   #39
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It is all a question of priorities. I never bought a vehicle based on its consumer report and reliability. I buy them for the fun of driving/riding them or for their utility.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:06 AM   #40
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Fuck them all consumer rating surveyors!

I think I can get better response from the riders of that particular bike.

I am just going to cruise on my Agusyamabemhonda now!
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:00 PM   #41
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Every time I read something like this I thank doG that I got the only good one out of the thousands built. R1200GS bought new in September of 2004 and has 117370 trouble-free miles so far. Rear shock puked the oil out at 24k, replaced on warranty and an output shaft seal and a final drive seal replaced at regular service. She still has the original clutch and final drive probably due to being owned by a "mature" rider.
Actually you didn't get a 'good one', according to you the shock failed at 24k.
How expensive is that part? $1k? Something like that.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:01 PM   #42
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left out too many manufactures to be a valid article. Esp. concerned that BMW in this article is read as "Europe's bike manufactures are not reliable" when one's like Triumph were not even in the evaluation.
Triumph was specifically mentioned!
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:20 PM   #43
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While Consumer Reports does publish some truth, I always wonder...who reviews the reviewer? It's like they're annointed by God or something.

Yet...I've seen them ding Corvettes for stiff ride and lack of cupholders.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:45 PM   #44
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I've been riding for 35 looooong years.
I've known lots of riders.
Personal experience with reliability?

Yamaha, Honda, Kawasaki and Suzuki in that order.

The nothing for a long time.

Then KTM and BMW, HD and everything else.

I have had 12 Yamahas, and currently own 4: WR250R, TTR90E, Rhino, 242 Limited S. Not one has ever, once, in all these years, EVER broken down in any way whatsoever, besides 1 flat tire, but I don't blame the bike...

I have not once, not ever once, met someone with a KTM or BMW or HD that hasn't told me about some kind of problems they've had, and some of them have had huge issues.

Maybe I'm just a mechanical master genius, but I doubt it.
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My name is David, Nice to meet you. I'm on my second BMW since 1996 and have never had any problems whatsoever. Wear items - brakes, tires, batteries only. The first bike, never changed ANY fluid but engine oil...EVER.
So, now you can say you met someone who never had any problems
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:06 PM   #45
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If it is such groundbreaking and shocking news, why when it comes to big bike sales, are they lagging so far behind HD and BMW? Honda are up there in international market share but not thanks to their big bikes.
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