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Old 03-29-2013, 08:23 PM   #46
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My name is David, Nice to meet you. I'm on my second BMW since 1996 and have never had any problems whatsoever. Wear items - brakes, tires, batteries only. The first bike, never changed ANY fluid but engine oil...EVER.
So, now you can say you met someone who never had any problems

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Old 03-30-2013, 07:39 AM   #47
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If it is such groundbreaking and shocking news, why when it comes to big bike sales, are they lagging so far behind HD and BMW? Honda are up there in international market share but not thanks to their big bikes.
If motorcycling is a hobby or life style to you, you won't buy it based on its reliability record. If you commute on a motorcycle, or you work delivering pizzas in a third world country, then you are likely to want a reliable machine.

H-D's is about a life style. BMW GS motorcycles are also about a life style type of machine. Reliability is not much of a factor, it seems.
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:22 PM   #48
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As an engineer myself I can tell that German engineering dropped the ball in late '80 early '90 when it comes to motorcycles and cars as well. BMW is still trying to coast on that old "simple and bullet proof" reputation. Harley on the other hand never even had a ball , building the same sh... for 100 years and still can't get it right. Although their paint jobs are excellent quality.
Reliability is the first thing that I look for when I buy any kind of vehicle. I like to tinker on my bikes in my garage , but just for pleasure and not for a need .As an adventure rider that takes trips to the middle of nowhere for weeks I need a reliable bike and that's a number one priority and I don't give a f... about the style and what my neighbors and coworkers and a bunch of hillbillies think about my bike .

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Old 03-30-2013, 02:20 PM   #49
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Ahhh, another BMW bashing thread from non-BMW owners. You guys should just go here and get it over with: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84020

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Old 03-30-2013, 02:47 PM   #50
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As an engineer myself I can tell that German engineering dropped the ball in late '80 early '90 when it comes to motorcycles and cars as well. BMW is still trying to coast on that old "simple and bullet proof" reputation. Harley on the other hand never even had a ball , building the same sh... for 100 years and still can't get it right. Although their paint jobs are excellent quality.
Reliability is the first thing that I look for when I buy any kind of vehicle. I like to tinker on my bikes in my garage , but just for pleasure and not for a need .As an adventure rider that takes trips to the middle of nowhere for weeks I need a reliable bike and that's a number one priority and I don't give a f... about the style and what my neighbors and coworkers and a bunch of hillbillies think about my bike ride .
Hey - I like your style. But just so we're clear - BMW cars were absolute dogshit in the 60s, 70s and most of the 80s. They were the most unreliable, semi-functional, rusted up excuses for a car you could find anywhere on the planet.

Then BMW had a moment of genius and made the BMW M1 - and then they had an epiphany and transplanted that engine into what was to be the BMW M5. Creating in one stroke what was to become a long line of BMW M cars to follow.

But without that... you never would have had the BMW M division. They never would have had their "halo products", they never would have had the money to compete with Mercedes, they probably never would have been in formula one.

I'd say that BMW cars are as good today as they've ever been - but don't buy the "luxury models". If you want to buy the best that BMW has to offer buy either the 3 or 5-series - they are the mass market models and they have the most research and development hours behind them.

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Old 03-30-2013, 05:10 PM   #51
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Out of all these motorcycles only one has required that it be picked up by my truck because it failed to start (the KLR's batter died).
None of these bikes have every had a serious mechanical failure.
Each Buell has had a sensor go out - that caused the motor to run crappy, but I was able to get home, diagnose the problem and fix it easily.
The Old Chiefs and Harley were restored by me and have never broken down - event on cross-state rides, but they do take some tending to.
The 2011 Ninja 1000 is my most recent bike - and what sold me on it was the KLR 650. I actually developed some brand loyalty towards Kawasaki while riding the KLR.







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Old 03-30-2013, 10:41 PM   #52
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Consumer Reports magazine: May 2013
Saddest thing about all of this is why the US press has to resort to such marketing hyperbolism - issuing a magazine in March and giving it a date two months hence in order to make the dumb ass readers believe it is more current than the next magazine on the news stand.

A very sad indictment of how much the dog-eat-dog scramble for the almighty dollar demeans our society.
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:21 AM   #53
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I lost faith in CR years ago when they reviewed gourmet coffees. As a coffee snob, I know that beans from different geographical areas have different taste profiles. CR didn't know that and in their report dinged some phenomenal Kenyan AA coffees as winey (a trait of the Africans) and a killer Sumatran as too earthy (an Indonesian trait). It was clear that they lacked a fundamental awareness of specialty coffee, and were unqualified to judge. Once I saw that I started looking at their methodology for other products and generally found it rife with subjectivism and poorly designed.

I'm on my third BMW after a 40 year string of Hondas, Yamahas, and a Triumph. I push my eurobikes a LOT harder in all sorts of weather than the Japanese bikes in my past, and have yet to have a single failure that was not self-inflicted.

CR can go pound sand.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:24 AM   #54
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Consumer Reports is possibly of some slight value to blind people who can't see the obvious for themselves. Other than that, a useless rag.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:32 AM   #55
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Anyone actually read the article.

A few direct quotes:

"in which we asked subscribers to to tell us about any serious problems or repairs they head with their bikes in the previous four years.

Overall about one-fith of the 4680 bikes for which we received data experienced a major problem in that time period.

Although we didn't receive adequate data to include Suzuki and Triumph motorcyles in our analysis, the response we got suggest that Suzuki provided similar reliability as the other Japenses brands and Triumphs were among the more problematic brands.

Among the bikes that needed repairs, respondents reported having the most troulbe with accessories, such as lights, instruments, switches, and radios (21 percent); brakes (20 percent); the electrical system (16 percent); and the fuel system (15 percent).

Mechanical engine problems were relatively rare, with only 3 percent having trouble with the cylinder head or valvetrain, or with the crankcase, crankshaft or pistons. Similarily, only 3 percent neeeded transmission repairs, although 7 percent had clutch problems.

Seventy percent of all repairs cost less than $200 out of pocket and about two-thirds of the repaired bikes were back on the road within a couple of days."

These certaily don't sound like serious problems to me.
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:01 PM   #56
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Blah blah, my KTM blows up all the time and I love it. If you buy a bike for reliability you are doing it wrong.
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Old 04-01-2013, 03:40 AM   #57
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As an engineer myself I can tell that German engineering dropped the ball in late '80 early '90 when it comes to motorcycles and cars as well. BMW is still trying to coast on that old "simple and bullet proof" reputation. Harley on the other hand never even had a ball , building the same sh... for 100 years and still can't get it right. Although their paint jobs are excellent quality.
Are you you a degreed engineer from an ABET accredited college, or just have a job that calls you an engineer? If you are, you would know that engineers design within parameters that include cost, time, and aesthetics. Without knowing the parameters they designed with, it's pretty irresponsible to the profession to disparage their work.
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:03 AM   #58
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Saddest thing about all of this is why the US press has to resort to such marketing hyperbolism - issuing a magazine in March and giving it a date two months hence in order to make the dumb ass readers believe it is more current than the next magazine on the news stand.

A very sad indictment of how much the dog-eat-dog scramble for the almighty dollar demeans our society.
I've got a 04 jeep grande chero

bought new

everybody knocks sepo cars

I was asked last week if the parts for the jeep were expensive

I said I don't know, it never breaks down

I've had other sepo cars

never a problem

but I keep getting asked about how many breakdowns

so the reason for posting this

is don't believe urban legends about reliability of a vehicle

so in my opinion there are too many variables in these stats

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Old 04-01-2013, 05:28 AM   #59
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I've got a 04 jeep grande chero

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Harley on the other hand never even had a ball , building the same sh... for 100 years and still can't get it right.

And you're an engineer ?
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