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Old 03-31-2013, 08:24 AM   #61
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I dont see what or why black heicopters have anything to do with this
Chain manufacturers conspiracy?
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:28 AM   #62
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While its possible i dont see that likely. The longer chain is most likely due to looser tolerances to save money due to increased corporate greed that seems to be on the rise
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:33 AM   #63
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Remove a link and go for a ride. If you don't have enough slack to do this, I guess the chain was the right length.
^ This
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:34 AM   #64
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Chain manufacturers conspiracy?
I can't comment - You know what happened to the last guy that outed the Master Chain Conspiracy..........
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:09 AM   #65
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The Chain That Binds

Thankyou all for your comments, both serious and comic relief, especially you Kenny. I intend to e-mail Suzuki, and look forward to receiving an answer from EK and Regina. In the meantime I will at the first opportunity directly view new motorcycle chain lengths to see if they are indeed, as I remember my new SV650, at the beginning of their adjustment cycle.
It behooves us to consider that this issue has a direct and lasting financial impact as one of the prime consumables for our vehicles. Considering the cost, it makes motorcycling implausible as economic transportation for the working class, placing our beloved activity merely and only within the realm of the wealthy "consumerist".
And being one who favors the "conspiracy theory" of history as opposed to the claim that "things just happen", it would not surprise me to discover that this is just another minor corporate tweak to slowly but surely
disable the working class to make us all the more amenable to a socialist regime that would "take care of us". Perhaps that also accounts for the lack of inexpensive motorcycles that were once the standard of the major Japanese manufacturers, now so so sorely lacking and replaced by expensive specialist
"niche" models.
Both of these opinions are easily supplemented by the obvious development of "control systems" that are removing our independence in transportation. Think about it ...
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:16 AM   #66
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Wow. Did you simply measure the length of 20 links and see if it's what it should be? 12.5"
Might as well see if it's the chain before going off the conspiracy reservation.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:37 AM   #67
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Thankyou all for your comments, both serious and comic relief, especially you Kenny. I intend to e-mail Suzuki, and look forward to receiving an answer from EK and Regina. In the meantime I will at the first opportunity directly view new motorcycle chain lengths to see if they are indeed, as I remember my new SV650, at the beginning of their adjustment cycle.
It behooves us to consider that this issue has a direct and lasting financial impact as one of the prime consumables for our vehicles. Considering the cost, it makes motorcycling implausible as economic transportation for the working class, placing our beloved activity merely and only within the realm of the wealthy "consumerist".
And being one who favors the "conspiracy theory" of history as opposed to the claim that "things just happen", it would not surprise me to discover that this is just another minor corporate tweak to slowly but surely
disable the working class to make us all the more amenable to a socialist regime that would "take care of us". Perhaps that also accounts for the lack of inexpensive motorcycles that were once the standard of the major Japanese manufacturers, now so so sorely lacking and replaced by expensive specialist
"niche" models.
Both of these opinions are easily supplemented by the obvious development of "control systems" that are removing our independence in transportation. Think about it ...

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Old 03-31-2013, 10:42 AM   #68
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I dont see what or why black heicopters have anything to do with this
They have nothing to do with it. They use drones now!

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Old 03-31-2013, 11:02 AM   #69
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Cant you guys take an important discussion seriously. While I too would be upset about getting ripped off more importantly it's a serious safety issue. If the factory is cheating on the tolerances to save a buck its teh same as installing a half worn chain on your bike the results could be fatal
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:11 AM   #70
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Cant you guys take an important discussion seriously. While I too would be upset about getting ripped off more importantly it's a serious safety issue. If the factory is cheating on the tolerances to save a buck its teh same as installing a half worn chain on your bike the results could be fatal


I am serious!!! Seriously LMFAO!!
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:18 AM   #71
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You wont be when your chain breaks and you crack your case or worse
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Old 03-31-2013, 11:43 AM   #72
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You wont be when your chain breaks and you crack your case or worse

Ya mean like this......



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Old 03-31-2013, 01:01 PM   #73
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Cant you guys take an important discussion seriously. While I too would be upset about getting ripped off more importantly it's a serious safety issue. If the factory is cheating on the tolerances to save a buck its teh same as installing a half worn chain on your bike the results could be fatal
So far all I have see are bunch of conspiracy theories. Until someone actually measures the chain in question there is data to go on. We might as well watch for drones and look for the Easter bunny.

I just measured a new RK 520 XW-Ring chain on the bench in my shop. 10 links (11 pins) measure 6.250". It has a heavy coating of protective wax and is very stiff. I pressed the measured section to a piece of 1/4" bar stock to get it straight and measured with a 12" Starrett machinist scale reading to 1/64". Since it is not on a motorcycle I have no easy way to place it under tension to check for any stretch.

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Old 03-31-2013, 01:37 PM   #74
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Thankyou all for your comments, both serious and comic relief, especially you Kenny. I intend to e-mail Suzuki, and look forward to receiving an answer from EK and Regina. In the meantime I will at the first opportunity directly view new motorcycle chain lengths to see if they are indeed, as I remember my new SV650, at the beginning of their adjustment cycle.
It behooves us to consider that this issue has a direct and lasting financial impact as one of the prime consumables for our vehicles. Considering the cost, it makes motorcycling implausible as economic transportation for the working class, placing our beloved activity merely and only within the realm of the wealthy "consumerist".
And being one who favors the "conspiracy theory" of history as opposed to the claim that "things just happen", it would not surprise me to discover that this is just another minor corporate tweak to slowly but surely
disable the working class to make us all the more amenable to a socialist regime that would "take care of us". Perhaps that also accounts for the lack of inexpensive motorcycles that were once the standard of the major Japanese manufacturers, now so so sorely lacking and replaced by expensive specialist
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Both of these opinions are easily supplemented by the obvious development of "control systems" that are removing our independence in transportation. Think about it ...


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Old 03-31-2013, 02:02 PM   #75
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Who is actually The Loose Link ?

I ask the cynics to review my first post. Why did my 3rd chain get 9,000 miles and my first 33,000? The maintenance, cleansing thoroughly by brush every 3rd lube, and lubes every 400 miles, was the same. The only determinable difference was the original stock chain was at the beginning of it's adjustment, and the 3rd chain was already in the middle.

Railbender, thankyou for taking the time to measure. I have no such facility.

Boatman, you're video is hilarious. I hope the joke is only on me. If my suppositions based on inference are reliable, then some bespectacled accountant with his green eye-shade bending over his computations is happily counting the illicit profit his innovation has brought corporate pirates. Those who discount such "deviation from the norm" must be blind to contemporary history. Our whole financial system was just implausibly but indisputably turned on it's ear to the ruin of millions who trusted government to get corporations to follow rules they ruthlessly, even zealously, discarded.
And you think arrogance in high places would not affect our comparably minor industry?

Kenny, thankyou for your insight anew. It is also a safety issue!
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