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Old 04-03-2013, 02:14 AM   #31
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What do you do with an old hybrid?

Sell it to a young hippy!
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:50 PM   #32
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Are you a mechanic? Do you know anything about hybrids? They aren't mysterious boxes filled with witchery. They're easy to work on. Remember when automotive control electronics became more complex? Ignorant people were very upset because automobile repair and modification would no longer be possible by the consumer. Not true apparently.

Why do you care? Would you even buy a hybrid?
you forgot to state things like no alternator to fail timing chain not a belt little things like that help.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:02 AM   #33
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Coworker had a Vue and had all kind of battery issues with it. I forget what he said it would cost to replace them, but it was enough that I would never buy one. He couldnt take it anymore and traded it in on a Ford Fusion.

Battery prices continue to drop.
10 years ago a Prius battery was around $7500. They're in the $2000 range now. I know some members have had their batteries give up around 150,000 mi.

Because of regen braking a Prius's brake pads typically last over 100K.
There is no starter motor or alternator
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:31 AM   #34
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I know a girl who has an older Honda Civic Hybrid that has had the battery pack die completely. It sits in her garage waiting for her to figure out what to do.
Sold our '04 TDI Jetta Wagon to a couple with the same issue, Cha Ching!

Battery replacement and disposal is why we won't buy a Hybrid, though I guess that doesn't answer the OP's question.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:33 AM   #35
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Sold our '04 TDI Jetta Wagon to a couple with the same issue, Cha Ching!

Battery replacement and disposal is why we won't buy a Hybrid, though I guess that doesn't answer the OP's question.
Battery disposal isn't a problem, they get recycled. There are businesses that take the pack apart, test the modules and assembled the good ones into good packs as well.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:06 AM   #36
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3) As a result of point 2, the aftermarket and OEM parts available will be smaller still, reflecting both the small size of the market for the older cars, and also the even smaller need for particular parts as they age.
There are millions of hybrids on the road. Having an old one doesn't make it any less desirable than other cars of a similar age. Have another car with a couple hundred thousand on it? Maybe it needs a new transmission. Or something else that's really expensive. Cars that get up in mileage need upkeep. All of them.
You should see the resale values on S-class Mercedes, and 7 series BMWs. Holy cow does the original owner take a bath. The maintenance on those models is insane, and when things go wrong, it's really expensive.

But, I'd think that Prius values would hold up quite well. It's still a car that's very inexpensive to operate, and for someone buying a car in that price range, that's a big plus.
My Prius has about 65,000 miles on it. Not a high mile model, but nothing has ever gone wrong with it. Tires, oil changes, and fuel are the consumables. A water pump was replaced under recall a couple of years ago, but nothing was wrong my existing one. And that's been it. I drove 10k miles last year, and I spent $680 in fuel for the entire year. That's a bit under $57/mo for fuel. My wife spent a similar amount.

I have a buddy who said that he and his wife spent $5k on fuel last year.

The difference? That's the payment on a mid-priced bike. Or, you can drink for the whole year. For free. It's a big chunk of a maximun Roth IRA contribution. Accumulate that over a few years, and you're talking about some serious money. Just for a consumable.

New technology is good stuff.

And getting back to your point. Consumer reports believes they hold up well.
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Old 04-04-2013, 05:34 PM   #37
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I'm not optimistic on the long view for Saturn hybrid ownership, but I think the Prius will have an enthusiastic owner base that will offer support to those wanting the keep the cars on the road with minimal dealer involvement--such a thing probably already exists.

I'd think of something like Brickboard for the old Volvos.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:38 PM   #38
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I'm happy you guys are happy.
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Old 04-04-2013, 07:57 PM   #39
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Battery disposal isn't a problem, they get recycled. There are businesses that take the pack apart, test the modules and assembled the good ones into good packs as well.
No doubt in your area, but not on this Third World Island in the 50th State where we live (Hmmm, business opportunity???). Did the test driving and discussions at the local Toyota, Honda and Ford dealers and the response was basically well when you get to that point you'll need a new car anyway. At least after nine years we got $9K back from our TDI, the impression I'm getting with a hybrid is that I'll be able to sell for a $100.00 because the buyer will need to absorb fresh batteries.

Of course you get what you pay for when talking to car dealerships, so I'm sure there's more to the story....
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:40 PM   #40
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Are these batteries different from forklift batteries? In my line of work, the battery guy comes in, drills out the bad cell and drops in a refurbished one. At are properly maintained (GASP) last forever, almost. I know of only one Prius owner, but Id guess that the majority of the hippies and good-do-ers that buy them have no idea how/when to maintain them. And when they shit out ask a dealer for a band sparkly new one. There are ways- even in the 50th state- to preserve, repair and prolong the batteries.

As for what to do with the Saturn: check into and industrial battery business around you and see what they have to offer
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:40 PM   #41
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My 2005 Prius has gone 100k miles with no problem, my 2007 Highlander Hybrid 100k miles with no problem, and my 15k wife's new Prius C with a minor problem at 40 miles but once resolved, problem free. No battery issues on the original Prius with over 100K and it still regularly gets 50mpg without trying.

Most people who talk about hybrids and batteries are ill informed and only parrot back what they hear.
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:11 AM   #42
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A little off topic but how is the "C" working out for you?
Does it get better MPG than your regular Prius?
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