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Old 04-09-2013, 01:57 PM   #1
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Road trip to a crash site any one?

Thinking this year I do some off roading. Found a map how to reach a WW2 crash site on Vancouver Island (Cowichain Lake) this summer may become an over night outing takes time to dig away in or chops the trees down on the road.

Here on Salt Spring there three wrecks to find,

an. 14* - Sgt. Pilot H.C. Birch, RAFVR, flew Hampden AN136 into Mount Tuam, at the 1500-foot level, Saltspring Island*within 500 yards of Hampden AN 105, Oct 4, 1942.

May 2 - *F/O K.R. Smith was able to parachute from Hurricane 5397 before it struck Beaver Point, Saltspring Island.

ct. 4* - P/O Norris Thomas, RAF, died, alone, when his Hampden crashed and burned on Mount Tuam, the promontory that forms the south end of Saltspring Island.

urther black settlers, mainly from California, were followed by immigrants from Portugal and Scandinavia, and British and Hawaiian (Kanakas) settlers originally recruited by the Hudson's Bay Company. As well, from the 1890s onwards many Japanese settlers arrived on the island to fish. There are still descendants of all of these groups living on Saltspring Island. Legend has it that during World War II a Japanese Zero fighter plane crash landed in this area and the wreckage lies on the peak of one of the many mountains on this island.


Got the below off the net as well as some pictures tooo

Access:
Flora Lake is halfway between Lake Cowichan and Nitnat. Take either road around Cowichan and make your way to NitNat. When you hit the Bamberton intersection, turn right towards Bamberton. Go north on the Carmanah Mainline. About 8-10km up, turn left over a bridge. Follow the road towards Flora Lake. A few km before the lake an old road veers off to the right, up the mountain.
Ride Time:
A couple of hours from Cowichan to the top.
Difficulty:
The road to the base of the mountain are active, well maintained logging roads. The road up the mountain is unused, but in good shape. About half way up, it becomes deactivated, so there are a number of draigage ditches. Dirt Bike and ATV, no problem. Small 4×4 should be able to make it. Alders will keep the paint job on your truck fresh.
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So who all up for it?

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Old 04-09-2013, 03:14 PM   #2
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Doan know about any crash site but any excuse to spend time riding on Van Isle works for me. Gotta get my passport renewed before my next rip up there.
Have fun, keep us updated.
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:52 AM   #3
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une 26¬ - The same goes for the three-man crew of the Comox based Dakota F2583 whose wreckage was discovered on Washington's Sulphur Mountain in September 1953. They appear to be the last wartime casualties to die in B.C. skies, for a total of 191 servicemen and 67 aircraft above and beyond th
Nov. 10¬ - One of the worst of the wartime crashes is that of Abbotsford based Liberator KH108 which struck a mountaintop northeast of Nitinat Lake, killing all 10 aboard. Their bodies are buried at the site.
1944
Feb. 8¬ - The three airmen aboard Ventura 2275 survived their ditching in Seymour Narrows.
Feb. 8¬ -There's obviously more to the story as sister Ventura 2274 also ditched in Seymour Narrows that day. Both aircraft were flying out of Sea Island. Again, the three airman were rescued.


The loss of training and coastal defence aircraft was not confined to those flying out of Pat Bay.
1940
July 27 - An Alliford Bay based Blackburn Shark 4 bi-plane lost a wing during a dive and crashed into the sea, position unknown. The bodies of F/O¹s Halpenny, Simpson and Richardson were not recovered.
Aug. 8 - ¬Also lost at sea were the two airmen, names not given, aboard a Northrop Delta 2 which had cleared Coal Harbour.
1941
Feb. 21¬ - A Royal Norwegian Air Force Northrop N-3PB crashed into the sea off Point Atkinson, killing Flight Pupil Erling Jorgenson and instructor Harald Kruse, both 25 years old.
May 5¬ - RCAF Tiger Moth 4278 crashed on Telegraph Bay Road with the loss of two unnamed airmen.
Nov. 4¬ - Stranraer 946 with five officers and crew Vancouver-bound from Penticton never made it. Its wreckage was discovered 10 miles southeast of Squamish in 1947 and a cairn erected at the site.
Dec. 27 - ¬Only the serial number, 1049, and the name of the pilot, Sgt. C.B.
Pierce, are listed in the crash file for this RCAF P-40.
Dec. 30 - ¬Of the eight men on board this RCAF Stranraer, which crashed a half-mile south of Ucluelet, four died and four survived.
1942
Jan. 4¬ - Shark 4 No. 518 out of Alliford Bay collided with another Shark and went down between Finlayson Island and Big Bay, near Port Simpson. Two crewmen died but the gunner bailed out.
June 20¬ - Another Shark, this one off Digby Island, with the loss of F/Ss H.E. Phillips and H.W. Baum.
July 6¬ - RCAF Hudson 765 crashed on take-off at Whatcom County Airport. This aircraft was salvaged but two the seven airmen on board were killed.
July 7¬ - Canso 8671 of RCAF 147 (BR) Squadron on a training flight from Sea Island crashed and burned three miles southeast of Sea Island. Killed were F/O D.J. Sterling, Sgt. H.M. Miners and AC1 E.J. Delaney.
July 12 - ¬A Sea Island Kitty Hawk "spun in and burned," killing trainee pilot, Sgt. C.L. O'Hara.
Aug. 23 - ¬A Stranraer flying on patrol out of Coal Harbour was forced to ditch "well out to sea" (no position given). Crewmen Thomas Cox, Lawrence Alfred Bernard Horn, Mervyn Cram, Robert Bruce Stuart, Adolf Willard Anderson, Kenneth Carl Hope, Leslie Oldford and Charles Franklin Beeching survived ditching but were never seen again. An imposing pink marble or granite memorial bearing the RCAF logo stands above the flat headstones in Royal Oak Burial Park's Section D which contains 58 graves of Canadian, British, Australian and New Zealand servicemen who were killed or died while serving their countries during the Second World War at Pat Bay. This, the largest marker, bears a more detailed legend than that given in the Crash Files:

"These brave men were lost on August 23, 1942 in action against a Japanese submarine 49o 47' N, 130o 30' W off Vancouver Island. Their bodies were never recovered. May they rest in peace."

Sept. 6 - ¬Sea Island based Bolinbroke 9114 vanished with its crew of three. The wreck was found in 1966, five miles northeast of Ucluelet.
Oct. 2¬ - No name is listed for the pilot who died in the wreckage of his P-40 when it crashed and burned in Lynn Valley. He is buried in the Royal Oak Burial Park.
Oct. 4 - ¬One of the worst accidents in terms of lives lost is that of RCAF Liberator EW 127 that caught fire in the air and crashed into Sansum Narrows during a night navigation exercise. 11 died.
Oct. 12 - ¬RCAF P-40 #1029, pilot's identity not given, crashed a mile east of Dall Head on Gravina Island.
Nov. 28 - ¬There are no listed fatalities for this mid-air collision at Tofino. Harvard 3117, while filming P-40 #722, was struck by the latter and both crashed at the end of the runway.
1943
Jan. 16¬ - One airman was killed and one survived the crash of a Sea Island Harvard at Aldergrove.
Feb. 4 - No casualty report is noted on the file for this Pender Island crash of a Boundary Bay Hurricane.
Feb. 14 - ¬All six airmen aboard Alliford Bay based Stranraer 935 died while attempting to make a landing in Skidegate Channel.
Mar. 6¬ - F/Sgt. R.F. Gainforth bailed out and walked out of the bush when his Hurricane went down near the head of Nitinat Lake. Two machine guns and considerable live ammo were recovered in 1963.
Mar. 28 - ¬No details are given in the crash of P-40 #1037.
April 15¬ - Boundary Bay based Hurricane 5387 crashed just half a mile east of the airfield, killing trainee pilot Sgt. E.E. Grissom.
April 24 - ¬A Bolingbroke flying out of Sea Island plunged into the Fraser River a mile west of Mission. Only one of four bodies was recovered.
May 12¬ - Less than a month after Sgt. Grissom crashed his Hurricane a mile east of the Boundary Bay airfield, F/S E.B. Moneypenny did the same with his Hurricane during a dawn patrol.
May 27¬ - The fate of the crew of RCAF Canso 11017 is not recorded after it crashed in Ucluelet Inlet. They likely survived as their aircraft was recovered, repaired and returned to service.
June 5¬ - F/S J.A. Leslie survived the crash of his Hurricane in the Fraser while performing "local aerobatics."
June 12¬ - F/Sgt. Scratch died in the crash of his Boundary Bay based Mitchell bomber.
July 21 - ¬P/O Gow bailed out and was rescued before his Hurricane went down off the northern tip of Vargas Island, Clayoquot Sound.
July 27¬ - Wreck of P/O M.A. Foster's P-40 was recovered from 90 fathoms off Point Roberts lighthouse.
July 30 - ¬Eight airmen died when their Canso struck a mountainside and burned near Bella Bella during a patrol.
Aug. 1¬ - No casualty status given for the loss of this Hurricane off Tofino during an operational flight.
Sept. 20 - ¬The crash of Bolingbroke 9056 just east of Creston claimed the lives of F/O E.W. Bristol and WO2 J.D. McIntosh.
Oct. 22¬ - This is an American entry, the loss of a USN Wildcat fighter plane from Whidby Island which crashed in water east of the Saanich Peninsula.
Oct. 26¬ - One of the most heartrending of this litany of disaster: RCAF Ventura 2193 took off from Annette Island, Al., and crashed near Cape Chacon, Prince of Wales Island. Pilot WO2 G.C. Marshal, P/O A.J. Chandler, F/S H. Chambers and F/S V.C. Arnold survived the impact but had to remain with the wreck as all were injured. They died of starvation, their bodies not being recovered until 1950.
Nov. 5¬ - A P-40 from Boundary Bay collided with a USN Hellcat during a training flight, east of Discovery Island. Both pilots bailed out but were never found.
Dec. 21 -¬ P/O R.F.W. Sedgewick's Hurricane plunged into the Skeena River after his Hurricane struck a cable of the Kitwanga ferry. A hand-written addendum notes: "Guns charged with ammo ...fired on impact, scaring (an) Indian kid out of his wits nearby."

Dec. 26 - ¬Five USN airmen died in the crash of their Ventura at Lawn Point on the Island's west coast. Their bodies were later recovered.
1944
Jan. 8¬ - Bolingbroke 9031 ditched south of Tofino after colliding in mid-air; the second aircraft managed to crash-land.
Feb. 4¬ - This Noorduyn Norseman crashed near Port Alice shortly after takeoff, killing three of its five-man crew.
Feb. 7¬ - While formation flying out of Tofino, Hurricane 5390 had to ditch in Wickaninnish Bay; F/O F.D. Hague escaped by dinghy.
Feb. 8¬ - The three airmen aboard Ventura 2275 survived their ditching in Seymour Narrows.
Feb. 8¬ -There's obviously more to the story as sister Ventura 2274 also ditched in Seymour Narrows that day. Both aircraft were flying out of Sea Island. Again, the three airman were rescued.
Feb. 8 - ¬A busy day. Hurricane 5423 ditched off Pachena Point. P/O A.J. Ness managed to escape in his dinghy but was dead when found.
May 21 - ¬P/O D.K. Sundercock died in the wreck of his P-40, south of Cloverdale.
May 26¬ - The unnamed pilot of a Cornell "rode the A/C (aircraft) down, walked out of the bush (northeast of Cultus Lake) two days later."
May 29¬ - The bodies of the five men aboard Mitchell HD345 are buried at the crash scene on a mountainside in the vicinity of Mount Whymper.
July 14 - ¬The bodies of the four-man crew of Mitchell HD319 which, like the 345, crashed during a navigation exercise, were never recovered although a prospector found the wreckage northwest of Johnson Lagoon, Rupert District, in 1960.
July 18¬ - Six died but eight survived when their Sea Island based Dakota crashed in bush at the end of the runway at Port Hardy Airport.
Aug. 10¬ - Another Mitchell down; this one, shortly after take-off from Boundary Bay on a night bombing exercise, claimed one of six airmen on board.
Aug. 16¬ - Three airmen walked away from the crash of their Comox-based Expeditor at Germanson Lake near Fort St. John.
Aug. 18¬ - P/O J.T. Wilkie was picked up after he bailed out of his P-40, northeast of Galiano Island.
Aug. 22¬ - As was the three-man crew of Dakota FZ596 after they ditched during a navigation exercise.
Nov. 1¬ - Another mid-air collision, this one between a P-40 and a four-engine Consolidated B-24 Liberator claimed the life of the former's pilot, F/O J.F. Thomson.
Nov. 10¬ - One of the worst of the wartime crashes is that of Abbotsford based Liberator KH108 which struck a mountaintop northeast of Nitinat Lake, killing all 10 aboard. Their bodies are buried at the site.
Nov. 14¬ - 10 more fatalities in the loss of Canso 11017 during a sea patrol out of Tofino. No details are given as to the cause of the crash.
Dec. 23¬ - Two of the four men aboard survived the crash of their Mitchell at Boundary Bay airfield.
1945
Jan. 9¬ - Only bits of wreckage and some personal effects were recovered of the 11 persons aboard the Liberator that went down off Bell Island, Rupert District, during a navigation exercise.
Jan. 10 - ¬It was two Liberators in two days with the loss of EW210 in the sea off Point Roberts. Three of the seven aboard were rescued.
Feb. 2 - ¬All six aboard Norseman 2470 survived the crash landing of their Norseman on ice near the junction of the Fraser and Chilcotin rivers.
Feb. 4¬ - This Liberator claimed the lives of all seven of its crew when it struck a mountainside three miles north-northwest of Whonnock.
Feb. 8¬ - 12 aboard Canso 11007 survived after a broken fuel line forced it to "pancake" at the end of the Tofino runway.
April 17 - ¬All the more remarkable is that not only did the 21 personnel aboard Catalina JX207 survive, but so did much of the plane's equipment, which was salvaged when it drifted ashore after making a forced landing in the saltchuck in the Queen Charlottes.
June 1 - ¬Liberator KK241 struck the west side of Mount Welch, Yale District, at the 7000-foot level; all 11 victims are buried at the wreck site.
June 26¬ - The same goes for the three-man crew of the Comox based Dakota F2583 whose wreckage was discovered on Washington's Sulphur Mountain in September 1953. They appear to be the last wartime casualties to die in B.C. skies, for a total of 191 servicemen and 67 aircraft above and beyond those servicemen and aircraft lost while flying out of Pat Bay.
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It has been estimated that at least 1,713 aircrew students and instructors paid the supreme sacrifice in Canadian skies. To put their numbers into historical context, by Mar. 31, 1945, when the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan came to a close, it had produced 131,553 aircrew for the air forces of Canada, Great Britain, Australia and New Zealand. (72,835 RCAF, 9,606 RAAF, 7,002 RNZAF, and 42,110 RAF which included 2,600 Free French, 900 Czechs, 800 Belgian and Dutch, 577 Norwegians, 448 Poles and 5,296 trainees for the Naval Fleet Air Arm.)
Of these, 10,000 trainees passed through Pat Bay Station, 1940-45, the third largest airbase in Canada and able to train 3,500 students at any one time.

Total complement of Pat Bay peaked around 5,000, which included 321 RCAF airwomen, eight Nursing Sisters and 112 civilians. Among the support staff were the personnel who manned a fleet of crash boats, so necessary as it turned out.
Although Canada is better-known for its naval role, shepherding convoys in the Atlantic that were the lifeline for Great Britain, historian J.L. Granatstein has termed the BCATP to be "the major Canadian military contribution to the Allied War effort" in the Second World War. Of the total cost of $2.2 billion for the program, Canada contributed $1.6 billion and forgave a further $425 million debt owed by Britain at war's end.
Almost ironically, the building of airfields and flight schools across Canada has been described as an economic godsend to communities still suffering from the effects of the Great Depression.
Royal Oak Burial Park, Section D contains 58 graves of Canadian, British, Australian and New Zealand airmen.
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