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Old 04-11-2013, 04:34 PM   #1
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I Wanna Turn a Sport Bike Into a "Tourer"...

Why the heck not!?!

I haven't had a litre bike for about 10 years. The last one I had was a 929rr, and I miss the excitement!!

I have since gone through many different machines, looking for something fun that doesn't kill my back. I've had a number of bikes that just didn't do it for me, currently I have a Ducati ST3, great sport tourer, but I want a lithe weapon again that can put the fear of GAWD in me!

All of the usual suspect in the sport touring world are too big. Yes, I know about the Ninja 1000, I'm not feeling it. I crave a real sport bike, lightness is paramount. I need to figure out a way to convert a Japanese sport bike into a comfortable, fun, solo ST machine.

Here are my parameters:

1) Must be above 900cc
2) Preferably Japanese, I have 2 Ducs now, I'm tired of fixing them...
3) must be be newer that 10 years old.
4) Essentially, I need -FAST- NIMBLE - FUN- DEPENDABLE!!
5) I should probably stay under 8,000$
6) I really do need to sit up pretty straight. ( Neck and back injuries)

My question for you experts are:

1) What bikes are more comfortable than the others from the factory?
2) What bar rise solution can put me at a "mostly" upright riding position?
3) Do you have any specific seating suggestions?

I rarely see anyone turn a sport bike into a machine like I am describing. (possibly for good reason) Please spare me the "you're defeating the purpose" bit. Also, please omit the "just get a VFR!". I have done my research, I know what I want, thanks.

What say you ?!? Can I do this, or am I fooling myself? Am I doomed to an exsistance of bikes that I "kinda" like?

HELP!!
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:48 PM   #2
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Have you considered either the 1st or 2nd generation Yamaha FZ1? I have an '06, and you can definitely find them in your price range. It has an upright seating position and all the power you can possibly want. I've gone on long weekend trips with it, and I know how to pack light, and just use a tailpack. I also do long weekends on my Ninja ZX6R and actually prefer it to the FZ1 because I'm actually more comfortable with the Ninja's riding position.
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Old 04-11-2013, 04:59 PM   #3
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cycle-ergo.com is your friend for finding the riding position you want and determining what risers etc you need to tweak it in.

It sounds like what you want is a streetfighter. Not Japanese but I'd recommend the Speed Triple; it has the ergos, it has the power, it has the handling. If you're actually looking to 'tour' the shortened tail is compromised for hauling, but it's doable. The Street Trip is nimbler but <900cc.

E: I see from your profile (and name) that you already have a Speed Triple. So you're all set then! :P

Alternately you can take practically any sportbike and fit dirtbike bars and an aftermarket seat to them. Lowering the rearsets to somewhere more knee-friendly may be a hassle.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:01 PM   #4
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" I really do need to sit up pretty straight. ( Neck and back injuries)"

I have some of the same issues, and cannot ride any sport bike. Even the Kawasaki EX500 Ninja with bar risers was too painful.

I would suggest a Suzuki Bandit 1200/1250, and see what can be done about raising the bars a bit. Touring accessories are already available for it, and it is as fast as pretty much any sport bike.
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:17 PM   #5
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Thanks gentleman for the responses. Let me tell you where I've been. I had a Speed Triple. (check my name) and a VFR. And a DL and SV1000. And a number of Buells. And a few Monsters. And, I've ridden everything else that is a contender...

I need to do this with the sports bike. What one is going to work best for me?
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:25 PM   #6
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I had a 929 also. im 6 ft about 190 pounds. I was going to turn it into a sport tourer.. higher bars and lower the pegs. done
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:45 PM   #7
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It would seem that bar risers alone wouldn't get you very close to upright on a true crotch rocket. And if they did, I imagine the wind coming off the screen/fairing would hit you all wrong for touring. You didn't respond to the previous poster who suggested the FZ1, but that you can fit hard bags to that or a 919. Or maybe just get a ninja 1000.

Is your point that none of those standards (i.e. 919) or sports tourers (ninja 1000) are sporty enough?
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:55 PM   #8
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It would seem that bar risers alone wouldn't get you very close to upright on a true crotch rocket. And if they did, I imagine the wind coming off the screen/fairing would hit you all wrong for touring. You didn't respond to the previous poster who suggested the FZ1, but that you can fit hard bags to that or a 919. Or maybe just get a ninja 1000.

Is your point that none of those standards (i.e. 919) or sports tourers (ninja 1000) are sporty enough?

Yes sir, that is my point. I didn't see the FZ1 comment. No offense to FZ1 owners but they are unpleasant to my eyes. Also, regarding wind, I have never really cared about wind blast. I've had a number of naked bikes and wind blast doesn't bother me. Regarding the Ninja 1000, I am just not feeling it too much either...

Hasn't anyone done what I'm talking about?
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Old 04-11-2013, 05:58 PM   #9
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Not quite understanding. Do you want handling or speed? Sport bikes have both, but for me a completely intolerable riding position. Change that position, and you will lose a great deal of the sport bike handling.

This thread kind of shows what a bandit is capable of: http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=874525
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:31 PM   #10
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I want both!

And, maybe I'm confused and completely off, but I disagree with the assessment that changing the riding position will mess things up. It would change things a bit, but I don't feel like it would ruin it...

Many here are much more knowledgeable than I. If I'm wrong, please explain...
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:36 PM   #11
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I would probably go with an r1. For me, the most comfortable. Then put on Heli bars with risers to get rid of the awul clipons, lower pegs, better sear, and a touring screen/laminar lip to keep the wind off your chest and boom youre done! That simple
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Old 04-11-2013, 06:59 PM   #12
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For an R1:

1. ttps://www.helibars.com/product/yamaha-yzf-r1-replacement-handlebars

2. http://www.zerogravity-racing.com/pr...ge.php?pn=541#

3. http://www.twistedthrottle.com/mfw-v...ha-r6-03-r1-00

4. http://www.day-long.com/gallery_Yamaha.html

Just a few ideas...

I've been hoping that a cross-plane engine would be mounted in the FZ1...

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Old 04-11-2013, 07:27 PM   #13
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I would probably go with an r1. For me, the most comfortable. Then put on Heli bars with risers to get rid of the awul clipons, lower pegs, better sear, and a touring screen/laminar lip to keep the wind off your chest and boom youre done! That simple

I love you man!

Do you recommend the Helis, or do you have any experience with other risers? I'm not sure if they will get me upright enough. I suppose I'll go to cycle ergos and see...
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:49 PM   #14
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Talking

Honda55, am I correct in assuming that you've done this to an R1 already? If so, how is the riding position with the Heli's? I am about 5ft 8in, 170 lbs.

Anybody else have suggestions on "comfortable" sports bikes? My favorite bike in that field right now is the current gen CBR1000RR, although I've heard others say that the previous gen RR is more comfy, such a subjective thing really...

I've also heard that the previous gen GSXR 1K is unusually comfortable. Looking for someone's experience on the matter.

I really enjoyed that ride report that was posted about the Bandit, thank you. I have certainly considered it, but I fear that it will just be another in a long list of bikes that I've had that were close, but no cigar. I just crave the small stature, nimbleness and big power of a litre class sports bike.

Somehow there must be a way to enjoy my bike, and not be in physical pain from it...
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Old 04-12-2013, 01:37 AM   #15
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^^^check this thread,lots of ideas,right now it's on the second page of this forum

I just put dirt bars on my 09 zx6r and imho the bike is a lot more fun to ride on the street and very comfortable.Dirt bars look a little funky but the feel is second to none imho.Their wider than any clip-on out their,and that's something I like.lsl/spiegler sell full dirtbar conversion kits for a lot of different model bikes.
If you prefer clip-ons I'd suggest converti-bars.The range of adjustability is unmatched as far as I know by anything else available,
^^wtf is going on with my typing,lol,anyways...

Somebody posted the twisted throttle link for lower pegs.I have them on my bike and they are killer...this is an 09 zx6r with dirt bars.i'm 6"2" and sit on it almost totally upright.I'll never go back to clip ons for street riding...

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