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Old 04-12-2013, 02:05 PM   #1
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New adventure bike

Hello.
I'm new here and I hope I'm putting this in the correct place.

First of all, some background to help you to help me:
I...:
- am 33 years old
- am 1,85 m (6'1") tall
- had experience with a Suzuki GSR600 (first bike) for 1 year
- want luggage space
- want a multi task bike (75% road / 25% dirt)
- am planning a 10000 km (6213 miles) trip
- made a (not so) short list:
- BMW R1200GS (Adventure??)
- Yamaha XT1200Z Super Tenere
- Honda VFR 1200 CrossTourer
- KTM 1190 Adventure
- Triumph Tiger.

My initial preference was with the BMW. After all, half of the world shouldn't be wrong. But when I start reading some reviews, I realized that the conclusion wasn't so straight. And that longitudinal boxer engine always makes some confusion to me. Doesn't the bike twists with the torque? In the other the GS is much lighter than all the others, which is a big advantage for off-road use.

The Super Tenere is my 2nd choice. I like it very much but it is a lot heavier.

What's the opinion of you guys, who own one of these? I'm planning to make a test ride, of course, but I would like to ear some experts.

Thank you.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:24 PM   #2
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If you really are going to be riding 25% dirt I would pick a smaller lighter bike than those listed. Something like the KTM 990 or BMW 800 takes a good amount of luggage, fits your size and can do extended touring.

BMW F800GS with TKC80 tyres would be a very good option, has good fuel mileage and so on. The 990 is more fun and better for real offroad but a little less easy to live with.

Or perhaps the Triumph 800 XC?

Or go cheap - DR650!

Tours, goes offroad, costs nothing!

In any case buying a +450 lbs offroad bike as your second bike and your first offroad bike isn't that great. You want to start out pretty small.

But the F800GS could be good, it's surprisingly forgiving and easy to learn on.

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Old 04-12-2013, 02:42 PM   #3
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Yamaha makes the most reliable right now... probably the best bang for the buck too...

If you are in Europe and are doing quite a bit of dirt:

http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/produc...e/xt660tr.aspx

otherwise,

Go Super Tenere 1200.
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Old 04-12-2013, 02:59 PM   #4
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Jorge,
You might want to post your location as things are quite a bit different here in the US. For us the BMW is quite a bit pricier than the Yamaha so that helps some of us make the decision.

The Yamaha does seem to have the best record for reliability.

There are definitely a lot of folks choosing the BMW but they do seem to have more than there expected share of issues. That being said there are still plenty of folks that ride trouble free for many years with their BMW and I wouldn't second guess your decision to go that route if you decide to do so.
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:47 AM   #5
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Vstrom 650. Suits all my needs. Price is right, cheap to run and service. Very reliable. Fun to ride. What more can you ask for?
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:16 AM   #6
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Careful of the published weight numbers....use actual measured vvalues by someone who isn't BMW.
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Old 04-14-2013, 02:40 PM   #7
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Jorge,
You might want to post your location as things are quite a bit different here in the US. For us the BMW is quite a bit pricier than the Yamaha so that helps some of us make the decision.

The Yamaha does seem to have the best record for reliability.

There are definitely a lot of folks choosing the BMW but they do seem to have more than there expected share of issues. That being said there are still plenty of folks that ride trouble free for many years with their BMW and I wouldn't second guess your decision to go that route if you decide to do so.
I'm from Portugal. Here the BMW is pricier too. :(

About Yamaha I read a lot about its reliability. That's another reason why I'm in doubt about those two. I like the BMW but I also like reliable stuff.

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Careful of the published weight numbers....use actual measured vvalues by someone who isn't BMW.
Are you telling me that the official numbers from BMW aren't real? Do they miss something? Aren't they considering all the equipment?!
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:14 PM   #8
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Are you telling me that the official numbers from BMW aren't real? Do they miss something? Aren't they considering all the equipment?!
BMW GS ADV published- 564 lbs fully fueled (505 lbs dry)
Guzzi NTX published- 598lbs ready to ride

Someone put both on a scale:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=58332.0

Both bikes, comparably equipped, 1/2 tank of fuel:
2012 Guzzi Stelvio NTX 616.2 pounds
2012 BMW R1200GSA 618.4 pounds
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:01 PM   #9
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BMW GS ADV published- 564 lbs fully fueled (505 lbs dry)
Guzzi NTX published- 598lbs ready to ride

Someone put both on a scale:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=58332.0

Both bikes, comparably equipped, 1/2 tank of fuel:
2012 Guzzi Stelvio NTX 616.2 pounds
2012 BMW R1200GSA 618.4 pounds
Apples ... Oranges. Published weights are with minimum equipment, no case mounts, no cases, no ABS, no ESA, no nothing. Easy to get another 50lbs together. The racks and cases alone are more than 30 ...

Will be just slightly easier nowadays where ABS is standard.

The BMW numbers are probably real, just not for bikes that customers actually have because most bikes come fully equipped (and try to get a plain standard without anything here ...).
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:26 PM   #10
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Yamaha makes the most reliable right now... probably the best bang for the buck too...

If you are in Europe and are doing quite a bit of dirt:

http://www.yamaha-motor.eu/uk/produc...e/xt660tr.aspx

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Everytime I see this I get angry.......FU Yamaha for not bringing that bike here...FU! No seriously FU!

The more dirt you plan to ride the farther down the list the big BMW should go. The GS is an excellent bike but would be my absolute last choice to ride offroad. The suggestion of either the GS800 or KTM990 is excellent. Even better if you can find a carb'd KTM 950.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:46 PM   #11
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Careful of the published weight numbers....use actual measured vvalues by someone who isn't BMW.
I agree on thet. At least the big 4 Japanese have agreed several years ago, that all published weights should be ´curb weight´, means the bike is ready to ride, with all liquids, battery, tank full of fuel inside, but no accessories fitted...

But the reality with the weight figures unfortunately remains far more complicated.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:50 PM   #12
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Thanks kirb. Excelent comparison.
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:33 AM   #13
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Apples ... Oranges. Published weights are with minimum equipment, no case mounts, no cases, no ABS, no ESA, no nothing. Easy to get another 50lbs together. The racks and cases alone are more than 30 ...
Actually, Apples-apples. The NTX and ADV are about as close as you can get to the same 'stuff' put on them as shipped.

'Hey, here is the bike with all the cases, crash bars, skid plates, etc removed....enjoy.' Riders don't remove hard fixed parts when riding, so why does BMW weigh them that way?

My point is that you must use a 3rd party source for weight numbers. MFGs pull all kind of tricks to get the weight down.
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:01 AM   #14
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Actually, Apples-apples. The NTX and ADV are about as close as you can get to the same 'stuff' put on them as shipped.

'Hey, here is the bike with all the cases, crash bars, skid plates, etc removed....enjoy.' Riders don't remove hard fixed parts when riding, so why does BMW weigh them that way?

My point is that you must use a 3rd party source for weight numbers. MFGs pull all kind of tricks to get the weight down.
Do you know any source for (real) weight numbers?

Thanks.
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:13 AM   #15
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Sorry. Already found it at:

Actual Measured weights of a the XT1200, GS, GSA, KTM990
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...postcount=2381
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