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Old 04-21-2013, 05:40 PM   #1
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Hey guys, I'm new to ADVrider and not the most experinced rider. Right now I'm looking for a bike to take me and my girlfriend down on a one-month trip through California. We need generous luggage to carry month of stuff for the two of us, but also looking for something in the sporty direction of VFR as opposed to the comfort end of the spectrum like a Goldwing or Concourse. What advice could you give me in terms of what to pack? How to plan the trip? And of course what bike to buy? On Craigslist in Seattle I end up circulating around these models for around $3500 to $4500

1. Honda VFR800i
2. BMW F650gs
3. Aprilia Futura
4. Suzuki Bandit
5. Yamaha fz1/6 (I wish, too expensive)
6. BMW R1100s
I need a bike that comes with luggage, i know I might need to put in some work to install luggage on the Fazers

Resale value is also important to me because I'm likely to sell it after the trip.

Another thing, is it ok to ride 2-up on a bike like the vfr where I can't adjust the suspension for the increased weight?
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Old 04-22-2013, 12:57 AM   #2
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Buy yourself a nice used Suzuki Vstrom 650.
You will like it, your girlfriend will love it.
Cheap, simple, economical, good luggage ability and comfortable
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Old 04-22-2013, 01:41 AM   #3
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I toured some southern and western parts of the US for 6 weeks with a DL650, and my GF as a pillion four years ago. Actually we made another trip about half-way around the planet (Finland to Australia, 6 months) with basically the same setup one year earlier. These two trips were over 30 thousand miles combined. Yeah, I´d say it really works surprisingly well for 2-up. And the DL1000 of course has even more power for that use.

But the V-Strom just isn´t everyone´s cup of tea. A Bandit 1200/1250 would also be a very capable choice, as would probably be an Aprilia Futura 1000. I liked the BMW R1100S a lot, but only ever rode it one-up. (Note that the F650GS can refer to a single cylinder bike, or a newer parallel twin, that is actually 800cc).
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Old 04-22-2013, 04:52 AM   #4
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i've owned both the bandit 1200 and the 1250 and a 2012 goldwing. the bandit seating is cramped for the passenger. the goldwing has huge bags but don't hold anytahing compared to my we strom. to buy and use for a month and resell, the 650 bandit will be your best choice. it will be the most reliable, cheapest to buy and cheapest to operate. and it will also be the easiet to resell. if you can find one with a good after market seat like a russell or corbin, that is the way to go if planning several 400 miles days.
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:14 AM   #5
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My SO and I have ridden two-up on an F650GS. We had a Givi topcase and Jesse side cases, plus a tank bag. As pillion, I was totally comfortable.

I have also seen and heard good things about the VStrom 650 for two-up travels. Of course, much depends on the size of the passenger.

No matter what bike you end up with, be sure to have a back rest for your passenger. It will increase her comfort and security greatly!

Also, have your girlfriend check out this thread for "what to take and how to pack on the trip" ideas: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264996
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Old 04-22-2013, 08:36 AM   #6
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Buy yourself a nice used Suzuki Vstrom 650.
You will like it, your girlfriend will love it.
Cheap, simple, economical, good luggage ability and comfortable
+1

perfect for the trip you're planning.... with top case / trunk, and both saddlebags you're good to go
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:43 PM   #7
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Thanks for the quick responses and advice!
I hear the Vstrom's amazing. Unfortunately the Vstrom deals in my area haven't been so good. I have found a '98 VFR 800i (that's with the gear valvetrain which riders say is much better) for 3500. That's with full givi Monokey luggage, a huge modular magnetic tankbag, as well as a jacket and pants in my size. The only caveat is a scraped left fairing that happened during a 30 mph spill. the damage is minor enough I don't mind it except I'm worried about it hurting resale value. Besides that I rode it today and the acceleration was addictive, was pretty comfortable to: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mc...9677.html:deal

It's such a complete package with all the luggage, armored clothes, a good value, and I read rave reviews about the older VFR's. What do you think?

I'm not used to bikes this size, so it felt really heavy to me, hard to get it on and off the centerstand, a little difficult in slow manouvering. But am I right to assume that really all bikes in this class are that heavy, and anything besides a Panigale at under 400lbs. won't fell any different? I'd like to think the bike feels lighter the more I'll ride it, but I can't imagine having a girl up on back plust 100lbs worth of luggage. Any advice?
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Old 04-22-2013, 09:50 PM   #8
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Oh and two more things: Mileage, I think it gets between 35-45. I know that f650gs get's like 65, does it pay for that in power? Or is it just because it's a '98 bike so it's fuel injection isn't as perfected as modern bikes?

Also it seems the sidestand is bent. Is that possible? Like it's curved forward and the flat foot seems to be at an angle to the ground. How much would that cost to fix?

Your answers are much appreciated by this novice rider.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:45 PM   #9
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Thanks for the quick responses and advice!
I hear the Vstrom's amazing. Unfortunately the Vstrom deals in my area haven't been so good. I have found a '98 VFR 800i (that's with the gear valvetrain which riders say is much better) for 3500. That's with full givi Monokey luggage, a huge modular magnetic tankbag, as well as a jacket and pants in my size. The only caveat is a scraped left fairing that happened during a 30 mph spill. the damage is minor enough I don't mind it except I'm worried about it hurting resale value. Besides that I rode it today and the acceleration was addictive, was pretty comfortable to: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mc...9677.html:deal

It's such a complete package with all the luggage, armored clothes, a good value, and I read rave reviews about the older VFR's. What do you think?

I'm not used to bikes this size, so it felt really heavy to me, hard to get it on and off the centerstand, a little difficult in slow manouvering. But am I right to assume that really all bikes in this class are that heavy, and anything besides a Panigale at under 400lbs. won't fell any different? I'd like to think the bike feels lighter the more I'll ride it, but I can't imagine having a girl up on back plust 100lbs worth of luggage. Any advice?
I've heard some great things about the VFR and I personally like the V4
You should be able to get about 190-200 miles depending on how you ride (4.8gallons*40mpg=192miles). No its not the best out there but its got better fuel economy than any car short of a prius. As for power vs. the f650gs, you'll have to decide what you want. In your first post you said you wanted something more sporty so how much of a priority is that?
Most likely if you and your girl like the bike resale probably won't be an issue
I can tell you from experience that the more you use the bike the easier it'll be to handle it. When I first got my FZ6 I didn't even know how to put it on the center stand, now I do it without thinking. The VFR isn't the lightest in the class but it's not terribly heavy either. If you do get it, I would suggest get used to it first then load it up and once you feel comfortable then put the girl on. I ride with my girl very often and, from experience, once the kinks are worked out you'll probably hardly notice the difference
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:53 PM   #10
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I've heard some great things about the VFR and I personally like the V4
You should be able to get about 190-200 miles depending on how you ride (4.8gallons*40mpg=192miles). No its not the best out there but its got better fuel economy than any car short of a prius. As for power vs. the f650gs, you'll have to decide what you want. In your first post you said you wanted something more sporty so how much of a priority is that?
Most likely if you and your girl like the bike resale probably won't be an issue
I can tell you from experience that the more you use the bike the easier it'll be to handle it. When I first got my FZ6 I didn't even know how to put it on the center stand, now I do it without thinking. The VFR isn't the lightest in the class but it's not terribly heavy either. If you do get it, I would suggest get used to it first then load it up and once you feel comfortable then put the girl on. I ride with my girl very often and, from experience, once the kinks are worked out you'll probably hardly notice the difference
Thanks Flyinace1. I've heard that I'm supposed to increase preload and Compression damping to ride 2-up. So what should I do in cases like the VFR where it's non-adjustable? The suspension is already preset for it?
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:28 PM   #11
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Thanks Flyinace1. I've heard that I'm supposed to increase preload and Compression damping to ride 2-up. So what should I do in cases like the VFR where it's non-adjustable? The suspension is already preset for it?
I am pretty sure that the VFR has adjustable suspension front and back. It may not be very sophisticated but all you'll probably need is the basics. Both of my bikes have only had adjustable preload in the rear and that has been enough for me. If you really need something better there is aftermarket suspension for the VFR. Before you go and buy some expensive suspension tho, play around with the settings a bit and see what's comfy
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I repeat, "F650GS" is at least two very different machines, older 650 1-cylinder and newer 800 twin (that is lately changed to "F700GS", though it's an 800, go figure!!) But older and newer don't have much in common, so specify which model it is.

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Old 04-23-2013, 09:16 AM   #13
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The VFR sounds like a really good deal to me. The full Givi set and gear would cost $1000 by itself, and could be sold separately if needed. Don't the VFRs normally sell in the $5000 range? It sounds like it is already marked down for the damage, so you should have no problem getting your money back out. The side stand shouldn't be too expensive; maybe $30 to $50? You may even be able to use another model you find on ebay.

Kitesurfer said the passenger space is crowded on the Bandit? Too bad, because that would have been my second choice. Passenger space is crowded on my Dorsoduro, and I can tell you from experience that sitting with your nuts on the tank gets old pretty quick. I told my wife I would lose an inch of waistline if she would. The doctor said the swelling should go down by the end of the week...
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Old 04-23-2013, 11:14 AM   #14
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Hey guys, I'm new to ADVrider and not the most experinced rider. Right now I'm looking for a bike to take me and my girlfriend down on a one-month trip through California. We need generous luggage to carry month of stuff for the two of us, but also looking for something in the sporty direction of VFR as opposed to the comfort end of the spectrum like a Goldwing or Concourse. What advice could you give me in terms of what to pack? How to plan the trip? And of course what bike to buy? On Craigslist in Seattle I end up circulating around these models for around $3500 to $4500

1. Honda VFR800i
2. BMW F650gs
3. Aprilia Futura
4. Suzuki Bandit
5. Yamaha fz1/6 (I wish, too expensive)
6. BMW R1100s
I need a bike that comes with luggage, i know I might need to put in some work to install luggage on the Fazers

Resale value is also important to me because I'm likely to sell it after the trip.

Another thing, is it ok to ride 2-up on a bike like the vfr where I can't adjust the suspension for the increased weight?
The Aprilia Futura will massage your girlfriend's buns and that will make her a happy pillion. Rotax motor is bulletproof, ground clearance low though. YMMV. Saludos, Jim
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The Aprilia Futura will massage your girlfriend's buns and that will make her a happy pillion. Rotax motor is bulletproof, ground clearance low though. YMMV. Saludos, Jim
I love Aprilia bikes, and own one that has been very reliable. That said, dealers are few and far between in California. On top of that, parts can be weeks away or on backorder. I am willing to take a chance for that wonderful v-twin sound, and it hasn't bitten me yet, but some people aren't willing to risk it. I'm not saying don't get the Aprilia by any means, however.
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