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Old 04-29-2013, 10:20 PM   #1
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Differences Between the GTS 250ie and the GTS 300 Super

I know the 300 has a bit more torque but what else?

I have been looking at a Vespa 300 Super but Vespa doesn't have a yellow one. Boo. Vespa made a yellow 250ie a few years back and there's a used one for sale in my area. Yellow looks pretty awesome and I wish Vespa would bring it back for the 300 Super. 2014?...

So... Anyways, 250ie or 300 Super?
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:44 PM   #2
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I know the 300 has a bit more torque but what else?

I have been looking at a Vespa 300 Super but Vespa doesn't have a yellow one. Boo. Vespa made a yellow 250ie a few years back and there's a used one for sale in my area. Yellow looks pretty awesome and I wish Vespa would bring it back for the 300 Super. 2014?...

So... Anyways, 250ie or 300 Super?
They both max out at approximately the same top speed, the 300 just pulls a better hole-shot....more torque (We're talking 244 cc vs.278 cc) That torque comes at the price of lower fuel economy, based on what Ive heard.

My GTS 250 has hauled my lardass on some long trips, up and over 8000 ft, and some long days on the slab (Kingman AZ to Temecula Ca in one shot save for fuel/pee stops) i've ridden it to and through Death Valley in 120+ degrees, as well as winter temps in the So-Cal mountains.

There have been some legendary trips taken on GTS250ie, and its a very durable powerplant....for that reason I wouldnt consider it a "lesser" scooter or engine than the GTS300ie. My friend had 61k on his when he met a deer near his home and totaled it. He replaced it with another...not a 300, not even a BV350. He rides two-up routinely, and rode 33 days cross-country and back on it (Wa to Fl and back)
He's loading up in June (2-up) and heading out for 22 days on the road on it.

In my estimation and from what I've gleaned from my many hours on MV the differences in performance is quite negligible. If you've found a GTS250 you like, I wouldnt pass on it in lieu of a 300. You should be delighted with either of them.
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Old 04-30-2013, 06:36 AM   #3
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same frame, same engine (tho bored out 35cc). Some of the styling bits are different (digital vs analog gauges etc) but more similar than different for the most part. The GT was a Leader engine vs the current Quasar which was a bigger difference but even with that, I've not felt the need to upgrade. Go by condition, not model as that's apt to be a much bigger factor for you.
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same frame, same engine (tho bored out 35cc). Some of the styling bits are different (digital vs analog gauges etc) but more similar than different for the most part. The GT was a Leader engine vs the current Quasar which was a bigger difference but even with that, I've not felt the need to upgrade. Go by condition, not model as that's apt to be a much bigger factor for you.

I actually heard it was stroked, not bored to achieve the add'l (minimal) displacement and the torque output seems to have grown as well.
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Old 05-04-2013, 01:14 PM   #6
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72 to 75mm tho it may have been a bit of both
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Gotta love that yellow!

...Back for 2014?

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72 to 75mm tho it may have been a bit of both
This is true
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From owners that I know and have spoken with, the 300 has better MPG
figures then the 250, and it actually makes sense when you think about
it - it's basically the same engine which revs about 1k less for the same
power output and has more torque everywhere.

At WOT - yeah, it might consume more, but at anything BUT WOT, it
should consume less fuel then the 250.
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From owners that I know and have spoken with, the 300 has better MPG
figures then the 250, and it actually makes sense when you think about
it - it's basically the same engine which revs about 1k less for the same
power output and has more torque everywhere.

At WOT - yeah, it might consume more, but at anything BUT WOT, it
should consume less fuel then the 250.
Many GTS300 owners on Modern Vespa report city mileage as low as 51 mpg, and high 50's to very low 60's in highway use on their 300's. Siginifcantly lower than the GTS250 delivers both city and highway.

They also find the bulk of increased of power (torque) in the low-end...Torque takes power, power takes fuel. The GTS 300 makes more torque....using more fuel.

Also, I cant find info confirming the 300 revs at 1000 rpm fewer than the 250....that would be nearly a 20% reduction in RPM for just 34cc of additional displacement...or quite an engineering feat from essentially the same powerplant.

More torque from fewer RPM, AND better mileage all from the same engine design?

To the OP...my suggestion is to visit or join Modern Vespa.com and see what people who really own both the 300 and 250 models have to say if you are really that interested.

BTW- I have a GTS-250ie, and a BV-350 with it's new, efficient and powerful engine (clean-sheet design) and the BV-350 gets low to mid 60mpg while my GTS250 yields high 60 to low 70's mpg both in mixed riding.
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The 1k rev difference was from the top of my head from the day the
quasar 278cc was introduced and that was a long time ago so I could
be wrong, there was a PDF at the WW piaggio site.

A lot of Vespa owners saying opposite to what I said - I'd go with the Vespa
guys, they own the contraptions, they know better, I've had a few tanks in
different 250 and 300 piaggio powered scoots (there's like 20 of them) and
usually the same MPG figures.

The 250 feels sportier/rev happy, the 300 less so.
Just a subjective thing.

I would NOT pass up on a good opportunity just because one bike was a
250 and the other the 300, those two engines can NOT be more close in
feel & power, but I'd pick the 300 every time.

p.s. Maybe the peak torque was at 1k revs less?
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What I do like is the analog display on the 300 Super. It looks very classy.
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Thanks for starting this thread. I've been looking for a GTS 250 and now im leaning toward the 300. I also like the analog gauges on the 300 and the black wheels. Anyone know the differenced between these two regarding maintenance service? Are they single or dual plugs and the same on both. Are the valve assemblies and adjustments the same?
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I too am looking closely at the 300. If it came in yellow, I am pretty sure that would be a done deal for me.

As far as maintenance for the 300, it's not too bad: 600 mile service: oil, filter and some other things checked, check the oil level at 3,000 miles (add oil if necessary) then replace oil and filter at 6,000 miles. Belt should last close to 10,000 miles but a lot of people seem to replace it early - there's got to be a reason for that. My guess would be that the maintenance on the 250 is similar.

A google search on "GTS 300 maintenance schedule" will link you to a PDF of the owner's maintenance.
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Thanks for starting this thread. I've been looking for a GTS 250 and now im leaning toward the 300. I also like the analog gauges on the 300 and the black wheels. Anyone know the differenced between these two regarding maintenance service? Are they single or dual plugs and the same on both. Are the valve assemblies and adjustments the same?
Everything is the same, AFAIK.
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