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Old 05-11-2013, 09:24 AM   #1
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Effectivness of knee armor in textile pants?

So when knee armor is positioned correctly when sitting on the bike, it tends to hang low when off the bike. Given this much movement, I'm just wondering how effective it will be if you go down. Anybody who's been down care to comment?
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Old 05-11-2013, 09:37 AM   #2
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That's a good question, glad you asked it.

Seems that no matters if the pants are textile, mesh, jeans, etc etc The armor appears it *could* move before or even during impact.

Looking to the (unfortunately) experienced on this one...

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Old 05-11-2013, 09:54 AM   #3
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Any time you go down, chances are your legs will be bent and not straight,so the kneepads oughta be in about the right place. Every tumble I've had, my knees, elbows, and shoulders do most of the contacting.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:22 PM   #4
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I've had first hand experience with this in a negative way.
The knee armor is always able to move a little bit around compared to the knee. During touch down the armor moved a bit to an unnatural position and got blocked between tarmac and knee which -while sliding- caused extra pulling force on the textile pants (in which the armor was inserted). This might have caused the pants to rip open with the consequence of the knee directly to the tarmac.... Road rash and open knee. Knee is still recovering after 1 month.

I don't know what the result would have been without the armor but I tend to think that the pants wouldn't have ripped open. On the other hand both knees would have gotten a way bigger impact hit. My guess is that the result would have been worse without knee armor at all.

My protective gear is... euhm was: pants (with knee armor), jacket (with elbow and shoulder armor), heavy duty and high boots, helmet, gloves, armored vest for torso and back protector (vest under jacket).
Pants, jacket, gloves, helmet are too damaged and need to be replaced and I am rethinking what sort of gear would give me the best protection still being comfortable.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:34 PM   #5
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Armored pants are the most effective protection you can get. I crash a lot - and my legs always get hurt unless I am wearing armor.
Whether the knee pads fit perfectly or not you will find that they do their job somehow. On my current textile pants the pads are really big so I feel confident.
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Old 05-11-2013, 02:35 PM   #6
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Different gear for different riding. Most textile gear is junk. If it can move around a lot it will during impact. Out of position gear is useless. On the street leather is king. Off road its armor underneath clothing mounted such that it can't move around much. Personally I'm moving towards the off road mentality of gear.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:06 PM   #7
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Different gear for different riding. Most textile gear is junk. If it can move around a lot it will during impact. Out of position gear is useless. On the street leather is king. Off road its armor underneath clothing mounted such that it can't move around much. Personally I'm moving towards the off road mentality of gear.
Totally agree.

I never felt comfortable in riding gear. I never had one with all the pads exactly in the right spot nor firmly fixed in the proper spot.
Therefore I adopted armor jacket permanently. Snug fitting armor feels so much more secure. Doesn't and will not move around. Added bonus, any clothing can go on top if and as circumstance dictates.
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:47 PM   #8
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Had the same question on my riding pants with the knee armor always out of proper posititon. I took them off and start to use a Dainese armored underpants and pretty happy with it. Got from Cycle gear for below hundred bucks.
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Old 05-11-2013, 05:54 PM   #9
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I fall offroad and armored pants have worked fine for me. If you have time to change though, separate armor is generally more secure. Armored pants are MUCH better than no armor though.
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:21 PM   #10
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Seperate armor = no brainer.
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Old 05-11-2013, 06:58 PM   #11
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certainly any armor is better then any no armor. that being said - from personal experience - unless armor is tight to the body - whether its via a pressure type suit or something is secured via velcro type straps is superior to armor that is in a pocket of a jacket or a pair of textile pants. If I were to do it over again I would get something like the forcefield action shirt and action pants and put over it an un-armored abrasion textile or leather suit.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:16 PM   #12
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I've had first hand experience with this in a negative way.
What pants and did they fit properly? Pics?

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Old 05-11-2013, 07:49 PM   #13
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Not very good in my experience. Something strapped to your legs is better, even 'quite inexpensive' somethings can make a big difference.

Collected the end of a log on one ride, didn't pay much attention at the time, stopped to fuel up, to one step and fell on my face . The leg guard had been spun around by the impact and my knee couldn't move.

That's one area I do tend to wear extra armour when I'm riding off road.

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Old 05-11-2013, 08:06 PM   #14
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Ditto. The vast majority of knee and elbow armour either move out of the desired position prior to impact or during. Klim and some companies have figured this out and now wrap the armour 3/4 of the way around the joint, so that even when it moves you're still getting some of it.

The armour does virtually nothing to lessen the impact, other than disperse the force over a wider area, which cardboard could do almost as well (not well at all). The real benefit, and it is a significant benefit, is keeping your skin attached. Many of the products out there will actually melt and bond to your skin in a crash situation and there is no means to separate the synthetic (often marketed as ballistic) material from your skin, so everything gets removed. Leather is still king.

Opt for what will slide (leather or good synthetic) and less about armour. Sorry about being all know-it-all, I had to do a study a while back for a government agency on just this topic.
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Old 05-11-2013, 09:58 PM   #15
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to my knowledge, BMW NP armor is the only with adequate "wrap around" coverage - dont forget the armor is there only to take the initial impact, - secondary impact is not what they design for for loose fitting armor - armor in leather, yes. everything else bascially no
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