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Old 05-18-2013, 06:40 PM   #31
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Often the citation is sent on the mail to the offending driver after the investigating officer completes his vacation...errr...investigation.

Strom frames usually don't bend; they're cast aluminum. If they crack they're ruined. Of course the forks, rear steel subframe, etc., can bend. Do look for a cracked weld or other crack in the frame.

I had a Stebel Nautilus horn but prefer the pair of Fiamm Freeway Blaster horns (also labeled as NAPA), a low tone on one side and a high tone on the other side. Always use a relay when powering stronger horns. Here's more from webbikeworld:
http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcyc...comparison.htm
I'm not sure how to wire them up, but wiring the horns and the flash-to-pass together would be great!
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:26 PM   #32
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Lots of on-coming traffic for me. Red pickup truck waiting to turn left out of the T. Looking right, never looks back left before he starts to go. I saw him start to creep from a distance and slowed down, but then he stopped, so I maintained my speed (approximately 25 mph). At the last minute as I approach him he must have seen a break in oncoming traffic and tried to go for it. I braked hard and swerved as best I could. You'll see in the picutres I ended up on the double yellow. Couldn't go any farther around him due to oncoming traffic.
I learned early on as a driver to always watch another driver's eyes... if they don't make eye contact with you they haven't seen you. I slow down until I'm sure I've been seen... and I often flash my high beams in these situations to catch their attention.

There's a Signal Dynamics AYN license frame/flasher and a headlight flasher sitting on my desk, to go on my FJR before the weekend.
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:20 AM   #33
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I learned early on as a driver to always watch another driver's eyes... if they don't make eye contact with you they haven't seen you. I slow down until I'm sure I've been seen... and I often flash my high beams in these situations to catch their attention.

There's a Signal Dynamics AYN license frame/flasher and a headlight flasher sitting on my desk, to go on my FJR before the weekend.
Not to be disagreeable but this is the worst thing you can do when riding a motorcycle IMHO. "Watching the driver's eyes" is exactly what got me T-boned two years ago, and what put my friend in the hospital for nearly 6 months back in 2005. Just because you think a driver is looking "right into my eyes" does not mean that he/she has actually seen you, they could be looking right through you to the cars behind you, to the pretty girl walking down the street or just day dreaming about their next hot fudge sundae.

The guy that T-boned was looking directly at me, I swore we were having "a moment" and yet as I lay on the ground screaming like a broken child I heard him say to the police "I never even saw him." This despite my huge ass red motorcycle with aux lights, my bright yellow Nolan helmet and my dayglow yellow Darien jacket.

Never "look into their eyes" and try to discern their intentions.. watch their wheels and make sure they arent moving. IMHO YMMV
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Old 06-04-2013, 07:45 AM   #34
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Not to be disagreeable but this is the worst thing you can do when riding a motorcycle IMHO. "Watching the driver's eyes" is exactly what got me T-boned two years ago, and what put my friend in the hospital for nearly 6 months back in 2005. Just because you think a driver is looking "right into my eyes" does not mean that he/she has actually seen you, they could be looking right through you to the cars behind you, to the pretty girl walking down the street or just day dreaming about their next hot fudge sundae.

The guy that T-boned was looking directly at me, I swore we were having "a moment" and yet as I lay on the ground screaming like a broken child I heard him say to the police "I never even saw him." This despite my huge ass red motorcycle with aux lights, my bright yellow Nolan helmet and my dayglow yellow Darien jacket.

Never "look into their eyes" and try to discern their intentions.. watch their wheels and make sure they arent moving. IMHO YMMV
the wheels are the only thing you can trust. And even then, be prepared for them to suddenly start moving. I never trust a driver's eyes, head, turn signals..nothing.
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:11 PM   #35
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Not to be disagreeable but this is the worst thing you can do when riding a motorcycle IMHO. "Watching the driver's eyes" is exactly what got me T-boned two years ago, and what put my friend in the hospital for nearly 6 months back in 2005. Just because you think a driver is looking "right into my eyes" does not mean that he/she has actually seen you, they could be looking right through you to the cars behind you, to the pretty girl walking down the street or just day dreaming about their next hot fudge sundae.

The guy that T-boned was looking directly at me, I swore we were having "a moment" and yet as I lay on the ground screaming like a broken child I heard him say to the police "I never even saw him." This despite my huge ass red motorcycle with aux lights, my bright yellow Nolan helmet and my dayglow yellow Darien jacket.

Never "look into their eyes" and try to discern their intentions.. watch their wheels and make sure they arent moving. IMHO YMMV
I agree with this. The only benefit that looking at their eyes has it that there are some situations where there is a pole or some other obstruction between you and them so looking at where their eyes would be if it wasn't for the obstruction tells you that they definitely have not seen you, rather than they have had the opportunity to see you, but you still don't know one way or the other. I like wheel movement.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:28 AM   #36
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Garnering their attention:
1. Skene Design front running lights. These LEDs are I believe legal everywhere and seem to "flicker." I'm just one of many who believe they are an advantage in making my bike more conspicuous.
2. SMIDSY swerves: If the guy is looking to his left at all (even if just for cars,) a couple of these as you approach the intersection SHOULD get his attention in a way a normal path might not.
3. Loud horn: have one but hate to use it, and wouldn't rely on it. When my focus is on braking, my left thumb has trouble finding it rather than the turn signal or high beam switch.
4. "Eye contact" is, as noted by many, bullshit. If I can even SEE their eyes, it is too late to do anything useful.

The OP did several things "right:" brightly colored bike, white helmet, slow speed. Whether adding any or all of the first three "tricks" would have kept that red truck driver anchored is pure speculation. There ARE people who can make a left turn into a fire truck with sirens and flashing lights - but not many.

We do what feels right to reduce the odds.
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Old 06-05-2013, 10:43 AM   #37
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the wheels are the only thing you can trust. And even then, be prepared for them to suddenly start moving. I never trust a driver's eyes, head, turn signals..nothing.
Don't even trust the wheels. Trust nothing!

I've had more than a few people over the years, be looking steadily left (or right), left (or right) turn signal blinking, wheels turned left (or right), creeping forward, creeping forward, and *bam*! suddenly gas the bejeezus out of the car, whipping the wheel around, and go the opposite direction like they were suddenly possessed by Mario Andretti, and their very lives depended on turning the other way.

They're like f***ing Deer, who stand at the side of the road for the entire length of time it takes to approach them, semi trailers and other cars going by like nothing, and then when you get to the point of no return, suddenly act like OMG! Aiiieee!!! Danger! and aim precisely for you dead centre, with a jump velocity enviable of a Barrett .50 round.
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Old 06-05-2013, 11:02 AM   #38
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... and I often flash my high beams in these situations to catch their attention.
Not to pile on... but I'm going to pile on. Flashing the high-beam is a mistake. MANY people consider this permission to go ahead. I think it is a regional thing but in many places, flashing your lights at an intersection is meant to communicate "I am ceeding the right of way to you. You are free to move into the intersection since I will yield to you." It means something completely different when you come up behind a person and flash them (get the hell out of my way you left lane hog). It means something completely different when done to an approaching car traveling at speed (there is a cop/accident/herd of deer in the road so you need to slow down).

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Old 06-05-2013, 12:27 PM   #39
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I'd sure be following up on this to make sure this guy gets a citation. If he was so desparate to try to avoid the police, he's hiding something.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:46 AM   #40
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Not to pile on... but I'm going to pile on. Flashing the high-beam is a mistake. MANY people consider this permission to go ahead.
Agree here... I'd never flash the highbeam in MA. I might flick it on and leave it (often I ride with it on during the daytime), but definitely not flash it.

Also, for all of you who are saying "look at the wheels"... I saw his wheels moving from a distance as he was creeping... that's why I rolled off the throttle. He stopped. Fortunately I didn't accelerate and kept my brake and horn covered, but his stopping did cause me to cease my deceleration.

Even though his wheels stopped moving, he still went when I was 15 feet away from him...
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:09 AM   #41
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I am always surprised when people who causes accidents want to settle without the police. Here in Indiana, any damage over $200 requires the police to be involved (illegal to do otherwise); and what kind of damage is less than $200-none.
Any police officer who doesnt cite people for failing to yield right-of-ways should automatically be suspended and lose their jobs. While states are making stronger penalties for right-of-way infractions-means didly-squat if the responding officer does not cite such infractions.
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:09 AM   #42
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Yep, never flash the headlights-- that is ambiguous. In a critical situation, my thumb hits the High Beam switch (with two Halogen driving lights wired in) on it's way to the Horn button. Back when I used to do the "Eye Contact" thing, but have since decided it's more of of a Zen thing. If I don't channel within a couple of microseconds, I'll hit them with the 120dB Stebel Phasers...

I also have a pair of Amber LED daylight running lamps...



But, back to the topic: ride like they can't see you 'cause they don't...

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Old 06-06-2013, 08:27 AM   #43
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Not to pile on... but I'm going to pile on. Flashing the high-beam is a mistake. MANY people consider this permission to go ahead. I think it is a regional thing but in many places, flashing your lights at an intersection is meant to communicate "I am ceeding the right of way to you. You are free to move into the intersection since I will yield to you." It means something completely different when you come up behind a person and flash them (get the hell out of my way you left lane hog). It means something completely different when done to an approaching car traveling at speed (there is a cop/accident/herd to deer in the road so you need to slow down).

I dont know about this; You can get modulating headlights which always modulated during the daylight and are legal in all 50 states by federal law. One of my friend's has one and you can see it coming for a mile, and there is no way you can interpret this as 'go ahead'; now flashing one or 2 times can be misinterpreted.... but not a constant modulating. We have been stopped by law enforcment and informed there is something wrong with the headlight-nope operating normal.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:52 PM   #44
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I different tangent on the eye contact thing, drivers texting. The erratic driving, heads obviously in their lap, the occasional head bob as they make sure they're still in their lane. I usually stay behind them until I have an opening and I can get as far away as possible but on to my question.

Do you guys ever do anything to get their attention? Honk, shout, politely knock on the window at a stop, get in the passenger seat and have a stern discussion on how their conversation is negatively effecting their situational awareness at the possible expense of your health? I'm always tempted. One of the things I like about traveling by bike is the ability to gesticulate and communicate with other people on the road; whether it's a thumbs up to a couple kids glued to their window with giant grins, a friendly wave to someone who gives me the right of way, or pointing at and signaling over the driver doing 65mph in the left lane causing a mile long madly swerving, tailgating maelstrom.
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