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Old 05-19-2013, 10:34 PM   #31
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Somehow that stuck with me as I knew it was wrong so I checked the exact numbers. It's about 53 lbs according to BMW itself, not 20. Measured by some German magazines the difference is actually more than 65lbs.

So, not quite in same weight league.
MCN (USA), who actually use a real scale to weigh test bikes, report 490 lbs. wet for the F800GS with ABS. No other luggage.
I've read similar weights, mostly a bit more, from actual owners. BMW lists the wet weight of the R1200 GS at 516 pounds.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:17 PM   #32
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How about you start comparing measurements OR manufacturer specs? It doesn't help to quote different sources and try to make a point by comparing them.

BMW quotes the F with 472 and the R with 525 lbs. if you weigh both, you may find similar differences (or likely higher).
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:39 AM   #33
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How about you start comparing measurements OR manufacturer specs? It doesn't help to quote different sources and try to make a point by comparing them.

BMW quotes the F with 472 and the R with 525 lbs. if you weigh both, you may find similar differences (or likely higher).
MCN claims the 1200 adventure is coming in at 493#'s. It doesn't surprise me that the 800 would weigh verg close to the 1200. For the extra change you pay for the 1200; a lot of components were built of materials designed to trim pounds. Lots of iron on that 800.

Edit: Yes BMW claims 525# for the water cooled 1200. 20# more than the outgoing model that BMW claimed 505. Seeing as how gasoline weighs about 7-8# per gallon; there's room for 20# here and there with everyone's measurements. All that said - IMO the 800 is just as much a pig offroad as my Multi and the R1200. None of them are offroad bikes. Just like my 4Runner is not a Baja machine.

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Old 05-20-2013, 06:29 AM   #34
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Somehow that stuck with me as I knew it was wrong so I checked the exact numbers. It's about 53 lbs according to BMW itself, not 20. Measured by some German magazines the difference is actually more than 65lbs.

So, not quite in same weight league.
According to the BMW site:
F800gs - 472 lbs (214 kg) 1200GS - 525 lbs (238 kg)
F800gs adv - 505 lbs (229 kg) 1200GS Adv - 571 lbs (259 kg)

It's interesting that between 800 and 1200 adv there is almost 100lbs.
There is about a 32lb difference between 800 and 800 adv. Only about 12-13 lbs of that is extra gas. It also has a little beefier subframe but not sure what else adds to its weight.

Glad you looked into it because I was starting to think about 1200 if it was only 20lbs more.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:09 AM   #35
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According to the BMW site:
That's one thing I mean: compare two sources that are off in the same way. BMW data might be slightly skewed to sound better, but it's likely skewed in the same way for both bikes.

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Glad you looked into it because I was starting to think about 1200 if it was only 20lbs more.
I owned them both. The F is significantly lighter feeling.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:12 AM   #36
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MCN claims the 1200 adventure is coming in at 493#'s.
Even BMW isn't that bolt. They quote the dry weight of the R1200GS Adventure as:

Dry weight 2) 505 lbs (229 kg)

Which is still off as it doesn't include some of the equipment that technically isn't standard, but comes with pretty much every bike.

So please, verify your sources a bit and make sure to check what they actually say.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:31 AM   #37
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What about the engine heat issue of the tiger? I live in Texas and it hits 115 in the summer.
There is no heat issue.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:35 AM   #38
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There is no heat issue.
Yea there's some excess heat, dont wear shorts though
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:45 AM   #39
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Yea there's some excess heat, dont wear shorts though
There is some heat that can be felt, yes, but it has never been an issue, even in just jeans and hot weather. Most other liquid cooled bikes are worse. Even the "watercooled" R1200GS I rode once was similar or even more.

Only bike I never felt that was the previous generation R1200GS (or RT, or R, ...).
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:56 AM   #40
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Nope. Test rode the F800 and the Tiger XC...liked 'em both but the F800's engine didn't move me at all. The triple sold me on the XC and I've put 38,000 miles on it in two years. I'm not an expert in the dirt (nor on the street), but it has managed jeep trails, single track, and baby-skull rock-strewn terrain with aplomb. I limit it more than it limits me, but ideally we both would benefit from significant weight loss...
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:34 AM   #41
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I owned them both. The F is significantly lighter feeling.
Thank you. Now that's real data.
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:38 AM   #42
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What about slow speed maneuvering? Like you would on trails and rocks. I would be riding in Arkansas and Oklahoma in the Ouachita National Forest. It can be very rocky up there.

The reason I ask is because I read a review of someone who test rode one that said it was jerky, stalled and didn't like the slow speed. However, once the engine revved he said it was awesome.
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:53 AM   #43
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Who needs specs...

Forget the specs. The real key is that the mini-GS has absolutely no soul while triumph's triples have more character than a bus full of Marine drill sergeants.

The mini-GS seriously feels like a 125cc scooter even with the motor at full tilt. On the other hand, the tiger reminds you every ride why you're out there putting up with rain, sweat and bad drivers.

Take it from this desert dweller that there's no real heat issue with the Tiger. My right foot gets a bit warm in stop-and-go traffic in temps over 95F. That's because there's an exhaust pipe down there. (Try riding a ducati superbike in 110F heat. Now that's a heat issue!!!)
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Old 05-20-2013, 11:56 AM   #44
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You can drop one tooth on the front sprocket & the XC is much better at slow speed. I used the stock gearing in NW Arkansas & I had zero issues.
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:37 PM   #45
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You can drop one tooth on the front sprocket & the XC is much better at slow speed. I used the stock gearing in NW Arkansas & I had zero issues.
That's good to hear. I was mostly concerned with stalling, cutting out or jerkiness at slow speeds.
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