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Old 05-21-2013, 06:09 PM   #1
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e-start a must?

I say yes. Seen many of fool wear themselves out kick starting (or trying to) bikes in tough single track.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:42 PM   #2
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I've seen more fools suffer the 'click click click' of a dead battery.

but I must ask, is there a reason you felt like you had to make your opinion on the matter public?
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:01 PM   #3
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I've seen more fools suffer the 'click click click' of a dead battery.

but I must ask, is there a reason you felt like you had to make your opinion on the matter public?
Looking at a bike without it and cannot decide if I should just holdout and save up for one that has both kick and e start
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:17 PM   #4
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I say yes. Seen many of fool wear themselves out kick starting (or trying to) bikes in tough single track.
Gees, I wonder what we all did in the 70's and 80's with heavier bikes and no e-start?
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:48 PM   #5
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Once you have e-start, it kind of spoils you.

My coworker invited me out to a vintage dirt bike ride - I spent a lot of time trying to kick that thing over. Of course every time he did it, it looked so easy...but I never really got the hang of it.

There were also plenty of guys that couldn't kick start their bikes, and they had to either push/tow start - not much of an improvement over dead battery.
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:16 PM   #6
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Ever kick a stalled bike in baby heads, wedged between boulders, up hill on tight single, off camber .... you want the push button. Watched a buddy dump a kick only Yammi 426 hundreds of times in really shitty spots in Moab after a stall.

Of course the best of both worlds is kick and magic button like my 2002 KTM 520.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:06 AM   #7
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Electric start is not a necessity... but it is very nice. Especially after a flame out, balanced on top of a rock and with no feet to spare (it does happen).
However, It should be backed up with a kick starter.
KTM enduro bikes give you both.. KTM MX bikes generally give you the choice of one. There are other brands... but the message is the same.
E-start. Super nice, but not essential. If you have one... have kick also.

Yes, there was life before e-start, but there was also a time when you crank started cars.... All you e-start haters, did you crank your car this morning?
Didn't think so :)
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:10 AM   #8
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After several years of not owning a kick starter bike I found a clean xr400 on craigslist and ask myself the same question. I'd say it depends on how and where your going to use the bike.

If money is no object then certainly get a new bike with both but I find the xr4 and the recently purchased 650r to be very easy to start and very rarely require a second kick.

I use them for multiday trips but not as local commuters so when I get one out I'm going riding and have the right boots etc. which helps.

For reference purposes I'm 57 and I almost didn't buy the bike solely because it didn't have the button I had used for so many years, I'm really glad I didn't let it stop me.
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:25 AM   #9
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I just bought my first kickstart-only bike a few months ago, a KLR250. When I first bought it, it would take a couple dozen kicks to get started. After cleaning the carbs, replacing and adjusting the carb jets, replacing a few parts, and adjusting the valves, it starts cold after three or four kicks, sometimes fewer, and once warmed up, it'll start on the first kick, once in awhile the second. For me, I'm fine with that. Sure, pushing a button is nice, but giving a few kicks isn't a big deal to me. That being said, there have been a few times where I stalled it on a hill and simply didn't have the footing to kickstart it... In those few cases, having the button would be very nice.

In the end, I'm happy with the kickstart and would buy another kickstart-only bike in the future. However, if given a choice between kick and electric start, I'd pick the button.
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:11 AM   #10
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Looking at a bike without it and cannot decide if I should just holdout and save up for one that has both kick and e start
Having both is best. While witnessing a buddy on a BMW G450X demo bike stall in a holler between two hills, it quickly dawned on us how important it is to have a kickstarter, since the BMW had only the button. This was a newish bike with what should have been a newish battery, but it would not crank the hot motor. Luckily he got it restarted after a cooling off period, but that incident took that bike off our lists.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:28 AM   #11
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Having both is best. While witnessing a buddy on a BMW G450X demo bike stall in a holler between two hills, it quickly dawned on us how important it is to have a kickstarter, since the BMW had only the button. This was a newish bike with what should have been a newish battery, but it would not crank the hot motor. Luckily he got it restarted after a cooling off period, but that incident took that bike off our lists.
This +1000.

I can understand the real pros who already take their sidestand off and run carbon bodywork being worried about the weight penalty of both. For 99% of riders in the real world, having both makes sense, unless it's something so big you won't be kicking it over (in which case, just give it a very reliable starter motor!)
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Old 05-22-2013, 02:37 PM   #12
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I agree, both is best.

But, in my mid-60s, with knees that are joined with cat-gut and good intentions, I ain't gonna kick much, nor often.

The kicker is optional for me, electic foot is mandatory.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:21 PM   #13
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Looking at a bike without it and cannot decide if I should just holdout and save up for one that has both kick and e start
My Honda XR is usually easy to kick start. Having electric start is nice but not necessary. If I was interested in a bike without electric start, Id go for it.
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Old 05-22-2013, 03:30 PM   #14
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Elec leg isn't mandatory just a personal preference luxury. Don't know about kicking a stalled dirt bike while balancing on top of a rock...I don't play there. Most bikes I've owned since the 60's were kick only or lately kick and elec. The key to owning a kick bike is keeping the motor in good condition and "always" in tune.
At my age I like elec start but not mandatory for my uses. On a side note: don't think if you kill the battery that you can still kick start it. Unless you're running a magneto ignition you still need somewhat of a battery charge to provide spark to get her lit. But if you are running a magneto...an excellent state of tune is absolutely critical. Get lax on maint, best to carry good walking shoes.
If you're normally fit and healthy an elec starter is a very nice luxury but not mandatory. Maintenance on either system IS mandatory.
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Old 05-22-2013, 04:45 PM   #15
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Been taking them off my 2 strokes and selling them for yrs now.



For a hard to start 4 stroke. Yes need one
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