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Old 05-27-2013, 11:59 AM   #31
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Wait for the class. You won't pick up any bad habits you'll have to forget then. The class also goes through a lot of useful exercises you'll then want to do with your own bike a lot (and subsequent bikes) until you are confident in your ability to handle the bike well. Occasional refreshers aren't a bad idea, just random practice when you have a moment available.

It will take seat time and practice to get confident, but knowing what to practice helps. There are other useful things you get from the course such as tips you'll get about lane positioning (which is, or should be very dynamic), and even how to do a good "pre-flight" inspection of the bike, and what to look for.

My confidence in all conditions improved after I got comfortable with the low speed stuff, swerving, emergency stops, etc. Of course the class won't take you out on roads or at high speeds, so it won't help the confidence regarding the wind or any of that specifically.

Be cautious that you don't try to push too far too fast with your newly aquired confidence. Overconfience in too big a quantity or at the wrong time can be harmful or fatal.
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Old 05-27-2013, 12:17 PM   #32
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Oh. Yes, if this is the case and you have 5km (3 miles) on the bike since when it was acquired - then wait for the MSF course. They go over shifting, braking, how to use handlebars effectively and other basic motorcycle controls. Somehow, I was seeing 3000 miles. Whoops.
yea.. take the friggin course. 5km, I'll walk farther than that today! Most importantly during the course, focus on one or two skills at a time and get comfortable with them. Same thing with practicing afterwards on your own. Don't go out into a parking lot expecting it all to come together magically while reciting 20 good habits in your head. Do the same thing over and over but each time think about one or two specific things and how to improve them. For example being smooth with the clutch and using both brakes. Make it second nature before you move on.

I think I first started to feel confident on my bike after 3 years and probably 30k and a few dozen track days
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Old 05-27-2013, 05:08 PM   #33
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Anyways just look to hear other peoples experiences about there first few times on a bike.

Like many questions asked here there is a lot of good advise and opinions. Everyone is probably a little different when it comes to their first experiences and feelings of motorcycling. I, for one, loved the experience and couldn't get enough. I was never really nervous, just curious to learn more. I read as much as I could and I practiced braking, countersteering, obstacle avoidance, etc. as much as I could. I taught myself by riding, reading and listening to more experienced riders.

The MSF class will educate you in a lot of different areas of motorcycling but there's nothing like seat time. Education, experience and awareness are your friends.

In a nutshell...........do yourself a favor and learn these 2 things.

1. Learn to ride a motorcycle.
2. Learn to ride on the street.

Sounds overly simplistic I know but there is a lot to learning both. If you do these two things you will probably overcome that nervous feeling by being more street wise and confident in yours and your bike's abilities. The MSF will help you in both areas but it's up to you to practice what you learn and put it to use.
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Old 05-27-2013, 06:18 PM   #34
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thanks for all of the great advise guys!

Just to clarify yes I meant literally 5km lol. I've only had the bike for about a week now. I did go out tonight after work and do another 5km. I live out in the country on a quiet road. I only saw 2 other vehicles the entire time. I got all of my gear today and did feel better with it on.

I am really looking forward to the course and have already read proficient motorcycling.

I have been reflecting on it a lot and i honestly feel that my biggest problem is that I have been over thinking it and making to big of a deal out of it. I have thought of buying a book every spring since I was 16. I have read proficient motorcycling and internet forums constantly for years. This forum for example I have been a member of for over 3 years and just now bought a bike.

It's time I just take the course and then get some seat time :) I have built it up so much that I am over thinking everything I do.

also just to clarify I am licensed and insured for the road, I am in no way riding illegally. In ontario we have a graduated licensing. I am at M1 which has a lot of restrictions. After my msf course I wait 60 days and then go hand in my paperwork and move to the m2 level where I stay for another 2 years before finally being able to go to a full license. M2 license is basically what a full license should be though (restriction is no booze, with M it is under .08)
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Old 05-27-2013, 06:45 PM   #35
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M2 license is basically what a full license should be though (restriction is no booze, with M it is under .08)
Great, that confirms what I have allways thought, It felt like I was a better rider at .06~.07 BAC, than at 0.00.
You bring up some other good points, in many things new students trying to learn can only handle so much info at a time, so Its good to try and learn all you can but sometimes it just takes time. Have fun and be safe.
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Old 05-27-2013, 08:22 PM   #36
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In case it has not sunk in...
REMEMBER IN AN EMERGENCY YOU REVERT TO YOUR LOWEST LEVEL OF TRAINING OR EXPERIENCES... Rarely do we "rise" to the occasion, it is to that level of training.
The guys here have said it, some eloquently.
Emergency lane changes, braking (laying her down just gives control to the skidding surfaces and removes any chance you may have had of avoidance)

Take the class.. Get experience.. You dont overthink..it is... Situational awareness.. Embrace it..
Cant tell you how many thought that their " experience" was good enough..
Lots of badly trained drivers out there... Be safe...
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Old 05-27-2013, 09:54 PM   #37
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I meant literally 5km lol. I've only had the bike for about a week now. I did go out tonight after work and do another 5km.
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Old 05-27-2013, 10:14 PM   #38
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yup, it's just practice, practice, practice.

i haven't ridden a manual bike more than 400 miles total (two years ago on a beater cbr250, just bought a sfv 650 thursday), but after a good 40 miles in parking lot practice and stop/go on some quiet hilly streets this weekend, i felt loads better, but i'm not gonna be planning any big trips or head into heavy downtown traffic for another couple hundred at LEAST. (i tell myself it's to burn the wax off the tires.) i also picked a pretty n00b friendly, sedate bike to come back into the fold with. i have about 10K city/slab miles on scooters (and 3K on an aprilia mana 850), though, which is good and bad: i'm really comfortable with traffic and braking, but i have some ingrained scooter habits i need to subvert.

low speed clutchwork and irregular speed traffic situations are my big concerns right now -- don't wanna stall-and-dump in a downhill turn because i forget i'm on a proper bike instead of a scooter (what clutch, it's the rear brake i'm letting out riiight? OH GOD), and i wanna be able to launch from first out of an intersection as fast as i can when i see that suv roaring up in my mirrors. i'm keeping my focus on those two things so as not to overwhelm myself, and when i feel good about those skills, i'll move onto the next on my list.

i signed up for my second intermediate riding course next weekend just to get some good criticism and to make sure i'm busting up the scooter habits. you can NEVER have too much training. also, since most of my biker pals are hardcore adventure types with 20 years experience, it's nice to ask n00b questions and talk with fresh faces.

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Old 05-30-2013, 02:32 PM   #39
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I've been riding street for 20 years, and still get that cautious feeling every time I get on the bike. If I am heading into the fray of the big city, it is even stronger. I wouldn't call it fear, just an elevated level of awareness.

Occasionally when I get on the bike, I know my senses are not as sharp as they should be. On those days I ride as if I had my grandmother on the back the whole time.

Getting some time in the saddle prior to the course will help you focus on what is being taught beyond basic motorcycle function. It sounds like you live in an area where you can do that without the pressure of heavy traffic. If you can, read the class book/material before you take the class. My wife recently took the course, and said they went through the book too fast to understand it during the class. She read it before the class, though, so the lecture was a repeat for her.

Proficient Motorcycling was a great book. That author has a sequel as well, but I haven't read it yet.
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Old 05-30-2013, 04:41 PM   #40
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There are two volumes in the Proficient Motorcycling set. The first volume has just been revised.
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Old 05-31-2013, 11:19 AM   #41
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I've been riding street for 20 years, and still get that cautious feeling every time I get on the bike. If I am heading into the fray of the big city, it is even stronger. I wouldn't call it fear, just an elevated level of awareness.

Occasionally when I get on the bike, I know my senses are not as sharp as they should be. On those days I ride as if I had my grandmother on the back the whole time.

Getting some time in the saddle prior to the course will help you focus on what is being taught beyond basic motorcycle function. It sounds like you live in an area where you can do that without the pressure of heavy traffic. If you can, read the class book/material before you take the class. My wife recently took the course, and said they went through the book too fast to understand it during the class. She read it before the class, though, so the lecture was a repeat for her.

Proficient Motorcycling was a great book. That author has a sequel as well, but I haven't read it yet.

Both Twist of the Wrist, Total Control are also essential reading.

I got a motorcycle license 2 years before I could drive a car, there are still times my spidey senses get going. You don't want to get to comfortable, that shit will get you run over.
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Old 05-31-2013, 06:55 PM   #42
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Sometimes it's the bike. I find myself more ill at ease on small, light bikes with short wheelbases than on big sleds like oilheads, especially at freeway speeds.
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Old 06-01-2013, 06:38 AM   #43
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I went out this morning on a longer ride, I've now got about 170km under my belt. I am feeling MUCH more confident. My MSF course is June 7th but they contacted me a couple days ago to say there is a good chance it will be cancelled for lack of enrollment and the next one isn't until mid July! If that happens I may just try and do the road test on my own and skip the course all together.
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Old 06-01-2013, 06:41 AM   #44
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If that happens I may just try and do the road test on my own and skip the course all together.
Even if you take and pass the test beforehand, take the class. I promise you'll learn something.
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I went out this morning on a longer ride, I've now got about 170km under my belt. I am feeling MUCH more confident. My MSF course is June 7th but they contacted me a couple days ago to say there is a good chance it will be cancelled for lack of enrollment and the next one isn't until mid July! If that happens I may just try and do the road test on my own and skip the course all together.
See if you can go watch someone taking the test , then you know what to work on.
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