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Old 05-31-2013, 08:29 AM   #1
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I currently have a Nikon D50, AF-S 18-200, AF 50 1.8D, and an AF 24 2.8. We are going to be in San Francisco for the Americas Cup finals this September and I would like to make sure my equipment is up to the once in a lifetime (for me) event. I used D50 and zoom lens in Antiqua a few years ago and was disappointed at the results, many images are a little soft. A friend just suggested that the 18-200 lens if fine but I should upgrade the body. I am not a pro, or even serious amateur by any means. I understand that digital cameras are becoming more like computers and are improving every year. I am trying to keep the budget under $2K. Some possible choices:

1. Keep the D50 as a backup/every day camera with the 50mm (or an inexpensive zoom) and get a D7100 body to pair with the 18-200.

2. Buy a D600 and hope that the sensor stays dust/oil free. Keep the existing lenses.

3. Buy a D800 and hide the receipt from my wife. Keep the existing lenses.


I could probably get $100 for the D50 body and 50mm lens on E-bay so I really don't see the need to get rid of them. The 24mm lens would go for more $$$ and would be redundant if I bought a smaller zoom to keep on the D50. I am not sure how far away I will be from the race, at this time I am not sure if I will be watching from land or a boat. Renting an FX camera/lens for a week would be around $600 although a lens only would be $90. Here is one pic from Antigua:

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Old 05-31-2013, 09:34 AM   #2
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If people aren't paying you for photos, DX, plus it's a ton lighter for running around. I actually use mine because its small and somewhat light. D5100

One year, 6,000 shots. Not bad for a $600 kit.

A sample crop, where I was not close to being close



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Old 05-31-2013, 03:40 PM   #3
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IMO you're better off with a great lens and an ok body than the other way around. A great body will do a great job of pointing out any issues with a less than uber lens.

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Old 05-31-2013, 06:59 PM   #4
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It's likely a combination but in good part the 18-200. Even with all the fancy glass in there a super zoom is a huge compromise.....it'll do nearly everything, just not that well.

How much are you looking to spend in total? Also the only lenses that will work for the full frame are the 24 and the 50. The 18-200 is a DX lens, so you'd be missing a ton of the frame. If you went FX expect to spend another 800-4,500 in lenses for quality glass to cover that zoom range. That range starts off with used lenses, and the 4,500 would be the top of the line Nikkor's.

I'd say go D7100 and grab a few lenses. If you like having the convenience of the 18-200 keep it for those times but I'd still get something roughly in the 16-50 range, then either the 50-150 Sigma or a 70-200, all of these you'll want as F2.8 lenses.
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:06 PM   #5
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The Nikon 80-200 F2.8 @ approx $1100 is less than half the price of the 70-200 F 2.8. Both FX lens's, the 70-200 being the go to lens in that size.

Not sure if it will work with the D50 but it will take some nice pictures.



taken with a D700.
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:14 PM   #6
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but after a year I did take it back to B&H and traded it in on the 70-200 F 2.8

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Old 05-31-2013, 07:17 PM   #7
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the once in a lifetime (for me) event.
get the 800. rent a lens. a big one.
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:19 PM   #8
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The Nikon 80-200 F2.8 @ approx $1100 is less than half the price of the 70-200 F 2.8. Both FX lens's, the 70-200 being the go to lens in that size.

Not sure if it will work with the D50 but it will take some nice pictures.



taken with a D700.
Or the push/pull 80-200 which can be had for 500-600 used
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Or the push/pull 80-200 which can be had for 500-600 used
I think the 70-200 will auto focus faster but I think the 80-200 when everything is right can give a sharper image.

can't imagine the distances he'll be shooting at an event like sailing. even if he's out on another boat I'd think the 200mm would be not enough lens.
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]It's likely a combination but in good part the 18-200. Even with all the fancy glass in there a super zoom is a huge compromise.....it'll do nearly everything, just not that well.[/COLOR]

How much are you looking to spend in total? Also the only lenses that will work for the full frame are the 24 and the 50. The 18-200 is a DX lens, so you'd be missing a ton of the frame. If you went FX expect to spend another 800-4,500 in lenses for quality glass to cover that zoom range. That range starts off with used lenses, and the 4,500 would be the top of the line Nikkor's.

I'd say go D7100 and grab a few lenses. If you like having the convenience of the 18-200 keep it for those times but I'd still get something roughly in the 16-50 range, then either the 50-150 Sigma or a 70-200, all of these you'll want as F2.8 lenses.
I would prefer a fixed lens but I do not know how close I will be to the boats. I got the 18-200 for the Antigua trip as my only lens, hence the big range. I might opt for the D600 if the prices drop in the next month, otherwise I will probably get the D7100.
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I think the 70-200 will auto focus faster but I think the 80-200 when everything is right can give a sharper image.

can't imagine the distances he'll be shooting at an event like sailing. even if he's out on another boat I'd think the 200mm would be not enough lens.
The boats are 72 feet long and probably have a 100 foot tall mast, even if I was a few hundred yards away I would hope 200 to 300 would be sufficient.
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:57 PM   #12
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Adorama has refurbished D600s for $1599. Join the VIP Club (it's free)
and pay a $7.95 fee and they will add a year to the 90 day Nikon refurb
warranty. I use an AF 300mm F4 IF-ED that I purchased new in 1987 on
the D600 and it works great. You have a 24 and a 50, add an 85 and a
long telephoto and you will have everything you need.
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:30 PM   #13
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I used D50 and zoom lens in Antiqua a few years ago and was disappointed at the results, many images are a little soft.

Assuming you got the shutter speed right, it's the lens. An 18-200 is a huge compromise.

If you have the money, by all means get a body. But it won't make the difference that a better lens will.
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D7100 + 80-200 will give you very nice images.
Bonus is dx which is x1.5 so roughly 120-300 give or take.
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The boats are 72 feet long and probably have a 100 foot tall mast, even if I was a few hundred yards away I would hope 200 to 300 would be sufficient.
D7100

24MP on a DX sensor means you'll get that 1.5x crop factor (a 200 on it is like a 300 on FX) AND you'll be able to crop it big time since it has 24MP in that small space.

In comparison for the DX coverage area (since with a FF you'll likely be cropping more):
D7100 24MP
D600 10.5MP
D800 15.3MP
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