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Old 06-02-2013, 11:15 AM   #16
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D7100

24MP on a DX sensor means you'll get that 1.5x crop factor (a 200 on it is like a 300 on FX) AND you'll be able to crop it big time since it has 24MP in that small space.

In comparison for the DX coverage area (since with a FF you'll likely be cropping more):
D7100 24MP
D600 10.5MP
D800 15.3MP
I just spotted a refurbished D800 for $2300 and a (8+) D3 for $2100 at B and H. I may call for more info to see how many clicks they have. The wife signed off on getting a better lens (FX) now, time to decide between the 70-200's or 80-200.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:15 PM   #17
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I just spotted a refurbished D800 for $2300 and a (8+) D3 for $2100 at B and H. I may call for more info to see how many clicks they have. The wife signed off on getting a better lens (FX) now, time to decide between the 70-200's or 80-200.
For what you're doing I'd go for the D800, that D3 has the same sensor as my D700 and while it's great for low light if you're going to need to crop down the D800 will give you a lot more resolution to play with. You'll lose the FPS so it is a trade off, though one other thing about the D3 is it doesn't have a sensor cleaning system. With the D700 it can be annoying even running the sensor cleaning automatically at start up/shut down, I remember the lack of this being a common complaint of the old D3. The bigger opening sucks in a lot more dirt compared to the D50 than you'd expect.

Also I'd look into 3rd party lenses, I don't have the time to look it up right now but you should be able to find info on how the new Sigma & Tamron 70-200's compare. Price wise IIRC they are 1250-1500.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:46 AM   #18
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D7100

24MP on a DX sensor means you'll get that 1.5x crop factor (a 200 on it is like a 300 on FX) AND you'll be able to crop it big time since it has 24MP in that small space.

In comparison for the DX coverage area (since with a FF you'll likely be cropping more):
D7100 24MP
D600 10.5MP
D800 15.3MP

D7100, Nikon F2.8 24-70mm lens:



The D7100 is a way better camera than I am a photographer.

I love it.



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Old 06-04-2013, 11:31 AM   #19
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:58 AM   #20
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If I ever upgrade from my D90 it will be to the D7100. Or what ever the current model is when I do upgrade. They change so quickly. I've had no complaints with the D90 so far and I would agree it's more about the lens that the camera.
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You got that right.



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Old 06-04-2013, 12:27 PM   #22
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If I ever upgrade from my D90 it will be to the D7100. Or what ever the current model is when I do upgrade. They change so quickly. I've had no complaints with the D90 so far and I would agree it's more about the lens that the camera.
That's what I just did. I have a D90 and upgraded to the D7100.

I'm going to keep the D90 as a backup. It's a kick-ass camera.

D90 with Tokina F2.8 11-16mm DX at 16mm.



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^^^ That's great! I went with the Sigma 10-20 and love it.
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Old 06-06-2013, 06:37 AM   #24
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Go for 3 and do not look back. Hide the receipt.
It will work magic on your 24 2.8.
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There is a 70-200 2.8 for sale locally on CL. It is a version 1 which I understand is great for DX but sucks on an FX camera. I could afford $1K for the used lens and $3K for the D800. Would the version 2 70-200 2.8 be a must-have over the version 1 for FX?
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Nobody asked me, but I think your spending priorities are perhaps backwards. Spend all you can on the lens. Worry about the body later, if at all. This all started with less-than-sharp images. That problem was your lens, not your body. It feels like you're prioritizing the wrong thing. Just my opinion, that's all.
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There is a 70-200 2.8 for sale locally on CL. It is a version 1 which I understand is great for DX but sucks on an FX camera. I could afford $1K for the used lens and $3K for the D800. Would the version 2 70-200 2.8 be a must-have over the version 1 for FX?
I'd definitely go for the VR II but with your budget you might be better going 3rd party, Sigma and Tamron both have new 2.8's now. And if you plan on using this mostly in bright light and don't need the shallow depth of field of the 2.8 the Nikkor 70-200 F4 is supposed to be extremely sharp.
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Buying off-brand and buying an F4 is moving in the wrong direction. Buy a Nikon lens, buy the best you can afford. Personally, I've had great luck buying used Canon L lenses, most of them from Fred Miranda's Buy-Sell forum.

A top quality lens will holds its value over time. A body will decline in value constantly until ultimately it's basically worthless.

And the lens will solve your sharpness problem. Bonus!

ps I've had buyer's fever many a time, so I know these posts of mine are basically useless! If your mind is enchanted by the lure of a sexy new body, that's what you'll spend your money on instead of a primo lens.
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I'd definitely go for the VR II but with your budget you might be better going 3rd party, Sigma and Tamron both have new 2.8's now. And if you plan on using this mostly in bright light and don't need the shallow depth of field of the 2.8 the Nikkor 70-200 F4 is supposed to be extremely sharp.
I am going to get the Nikon 70-200 F2.8, just trying to figure out if/when I will go to the FX format. I am going to try it for a while with my "ancient" D50 before I decide to stick with DX or move to FX. Fixed telephotos are out of the budget by a long shot unless I get an older manual lens.
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Buying off-brand and buying an F4 is moving in the wrong direction. Buy a Nikon lens, buy the best you can afford. Personally, I've had great luck buying used Canon L lenses, most of them from Fred Miranda's Buy-Sell forum.

A top quality lens will holds its value over time. A body will decline in value constantly until ultimately it's basically worthless.

And the lens will solve your sharpness problem. Bonus!

ps I've had buyer's fever many a time, so I know these posts of mine are basically useless! If your mind is enchanted by the lure of a sexy new body, that's what you'll spend your money on instead of a primo lens.
It all depends on what you want, you're right about top Nikon/Canon glass holding its value but sometimes the "off brands" produce lenses that are better optically than Canon/Nikon. If you plan to own the lens for 10-20 years the value at the end of that time isn't a big deal (in my opinion) which is why I have a lot of Sigma/Tamron lenses and for ultra wide angle I'm looking at Tokina. Also if you go through a reputable seller (who also provides a warranty) the 3rd party lenses can be a real steal used.

For performance pretty much in any lens purchase you need to do a good chunk of research because even Nikon & Canon put out some so so lenses at the top of their line.
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