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Old 06-04-2013, 08:06 PM   #1
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Here are some pics of the results of vinegar and salt derusting. Before and after comparison at the end of this post.

No boring videos waiting for water to boil or watching grass grow... just a few pics of pauses along the way to see interesting turning points in the process.




























Just to remind you what the before was like, without you having to scroll back up...










I've tried Evaporust. Heck, I've put my money where my mouth is and bought 6 gallons of it. It doesn't work like vinegar & salt does.

And the cost? Vinegar $2.00 + salt $1.00 = $3.00 a gallon. Compared with $30.00 a gallon for EvapoRust at Harbor Frieght. Or on Sale? Vinegar $1.59 a gallon compared with the current and rare "hot deal" of $15.99 a gallon.

Please pass me the salt, thank you!

Quoted from here: http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=203018

I am going to give this a shot!

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Old 06-04-2013, 08:17 PM   #2
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im going to try that out. thanks!
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:20 PM   #3
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Good information, thanks Jim !


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Old 06-04-2013, 10:07 PM   #4
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I've used both,they both work.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:46 AM   #5
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Vinegar & salt is also very good on heavily corroded brass.Still needs polishing after but will save you a lot of work. For the cheapos....use cleaning or stripping vinegar, much higher Acetic Acid content than household vinegar. Any good commercial cleaning supplies place should have that by the gallon.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:51 AM   #6
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Now coat that chain with some ACF-50!
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:00 AM   #7
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:07 AM   #8
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I wonder how it works on plated parts?
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:58 AM   #9
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I wonder how it works on plated parts?
On the thread link I posted a guy used it on chrome plated tools with good results.

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Old 06-05-2013, 10:04 AM   #10
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How much salt to a gallon of vinegar? Table salt, rock salt, kosher salt??
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How much salt to a gallon of vinegar? Table salt, rock salt, kosher salt??

the site cites:

I use a cup of salt to a gallon, some use a tablespoon.
I know we have a chemist that that will tell us of acids and chlorides and ratios.


and . . . . .

I used about a quart of white vinegar and a few tablespoons of salt in an aluminum baking pan. I set the pan in the sun to warm it a couple of times, then left it to set in the garage for a week. You could see the foaming action, and the rust just falling off, I am still amazed! I cleaned the pan and soaked them in about the same ratio of water and baking soda. I just pulled them this weekend, and washed them with soapy water. The rust had already taken off the chrome plating, but they arent pitted, and look pretty good! I didnt even use a wire brush on them, and the rust is gone! I havent decided yet, but i may just try polishing them, and see how that goes.
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I was supposed to read the article??
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I was supposed to read the article??

'course not . . . I did it for you!

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2/3 of a Stagg Chili can of Alaskan De-Icer ( Calcium Chloride). Rock grits included they put some in there for traction.

2/3 US quart of "cleaning Vinegar, double strenght" at around 10% acetic acid content vs household vinegar at 5%.

Tiny bubbles after an hour, some of the rusty chain is turning black already.

Seeya in a few hundred Kms....better things to do than watch bubbles.
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Old 06-05-2013, 01:35 PM   #15
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Cool process, but after reading about the hydrogen being formed and released from the surface of the steel, it sparked my memory. I've had some grade 8 bolts fail in the past due to "hydrogen embrittlement" It's a process where the steel ends up with microscopic pressure points than can lead to cracking. It might not apply here, but I don't think I would try this on a drive chain.

From Wiki:
Hydrogen embrittlement is the process by which various metals, most importantly high-strength steel, become brittle and fracture following exposure to hydrogen. Hydrogen embrittlement is often the result of unintentional introduction of hydrogen into susceptible metals during forming or finishing operations and increases cracking in the material. This phenomenon was first described in 1875.[1]



Hydrogen embrittlement can occur during various manufacturing operations or operational use - anywhere that the metal comes into contact with atomic or molecular hydrogen. Processes that can lead to this include cathodic protection, phosphating, pickling, and electroplating.
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