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Old 06-08-2013, 04:57 PM   #76
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In my humble opinion, if large numbers of riders were not breaking the law, unjust as many believe those laws to be, law enforcement would not target them.

How many riders do you see riding with "skid lids" instead of a real helmet?

Why do so many riders cut off their mufflers and or remove baffles from their bikes. ( Sorry, I do not buy the "Loud pipes save lives" rationalization.)

I have been waved through these stops after only a glance at my bike, while those with the "organ donor" helmets & open pipes are sitting on the shoulder waiting for their citations.

Does that make me a sheep for obeying the law?
Yes. There are more important crimes for the police to pursue. How do you feel about the crackdown on large sodas in NYC? How is it different?
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Old 06-08-2013, 04:59 PM   #77
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Has anyone pointed out that finding loud exhausts doesn't require a checkpoint?
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:05 PM   #78
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Are you speaking as an employee with intimate knowledge of the organization. Did you read the links, or do you just spout the usual BS?

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Wow, what did this country ever do before HLS was ever invented? HLS does nothing that wasn't done before, it's just a waste of tax payer money.

The link is government propaganda...it's very telling time when main stream media is turning against the government.
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:07 PM   #79
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Wow, what did this country ever do before HLS was ever invented?

The link is government propaganda...it's very telling time when main stream media is turning against the government.


BTW DHS is not some new invention, it is a conglomeration of 27 different pre-existing organizations. But don't let the facts get in the way of your indignation.

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PS Why do I let myself get dragged into these ignorant discussions?

PPS I am exercising my right to ignore Anorak, his nonsense is too tiring to bother with.
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:28 PM   #80
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PS Why do I let myself get dragged into these ignorant discussions?

PPS I am exercising my right to ignore Anorak, his nonsense is too tiring to bother with.
Is that aerobic exercise or an attempt at intellectual excercise?
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Old 06-08-2013, 05:58 PM   #81
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Yes. There are more important crimes for the police to pursue.....
So as long as there are murders, no other crime should be investigated.....
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Old 06-08-2013, 07:17 PM   #82
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So as long as there are murders, no other crime should be investigated.....
Prioritize. There are more important crimes than non D.O.T. helmets and expired registrations. Though I would guess that checkpoints are moneymakers for the city due to the fines and limited staff needed. versus murder investigations.
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Old 06-08-2013, 08:09 PM   #83
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So as long as there are murders, no other crime should be investigated.....


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Old 06-08-2013, 09:37 PM   #84
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Late to the game here - but it seems like fun so...

I think that Jim's original statement, which started all the "debate" was quite reasonable. I too have no problem with being stopped for a license, insurance or DUI check. That does not mean that I don't care if the "government" starts prying into my personal life, looking to see what I might have done wrong. What it means TO ME, is that getting stopped is acceptable to me (even though it inconveniences me) if it results in unlicensed, uninsured or drunk motorists being taken off the streets. The reasons for which are (or should be) obvious.

Motorcycle-specific stops are a bit more thorny and I might object to those on the grounds that IMO there are enough unsafe, uninsured or drunk-operated cars on the roads that, if police are going to bother setting up a roadblock, they should stop everybody. However, if they are using funds for motorcycle safety to cover the stops, they would probably get into trouble with the funding providers if they were stopping all vehicles.

If all the monies raised by any of these "safety" stops had to go back into the safety programs instead of being available for other uses, the practice would stop pretty quickly, IMO.
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Old 06-08-2013, 11:35 PM   #85
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That is such crap! No one complains when the Border Patrol stops every car at the 25 mile checkpoint looking for illegals, been done forever.

I reiterate, what rights to privacy are you giving up? You are showing nothing other than you have the appropriate documents to be legally riding a motorcycle on the streets, AS THE LAW STATES YOU MUST AT ALL TIMES!

Comparring this to the holocaust is such crap. It only makes you look like a paranoid fool!

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sorry i've been away for a couple days. so F you, you asshole. where in the hell did i reference the Holocaust. i thought everyone was familiar with this poem. The statement was published in a 1955 book by Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free,
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
i doubt you are literate enough to understand it however. so in closing f you .

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Old 06-09-2013, 12:09 AM   #86
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I don't believe the police should be stopping anyone unless there is an obvious reason. Checkpoints are more about revenue generation than safety. I believe this to be true with other activities also such as a person openly carrying a firearm where legal. If there's no obvious law being broken, leave the individual alone.

Of course that's just an example, but freedom carries risk. I'm willing to accept the risk of freedom versus the risk of losing freedom, as in the case of checkpoints of any sort.
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:06 AM   #87
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Having been pulled over 4 times in these obnoxious checkpoints I can say the following:

1. They have nothing to do with safety.
2. The officers are rude, arrogant and have no clue about the laws they are attempting to enforce, I got a ticket for non DOT eyewear. Took the ticket to court and proved that the law states ANSI Z87.1 spec is required, which was what I was wearing at the time.
3. This is an excuse for the officers to NOT go after all the illegal dirtbikes etc. that cruise around NYC without a worry in the world that they will get pulled over. In fact, one time while I was stopped, a group of these idiots went by and popo did nothing. For those who live in NYC, you know what I'm talking about.

Bottom line is this practice is making matters worse. The message NYPD(Kelly) is putting out there is if you are legal you get harassed, if you are illegal and pull wheelies down 125th, carry on and save your insurance, registration money etc since we won't bother you.
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Old 06-09-2013, 08:16 AM   #88
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Prioritize. There are more important crimes than non D.O.T. helmets and expired registrations.
The thing about the non DOT helmets that gets me is when there is a fatality and the report is that the biker was wearing a helmet. I see a lot of pirates around here wearing the novelty helmets and they are almost always pirates.
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Old 06-09-2013, 09:56 AM   #89
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If you want this to change, write your Representative and Senators. If your House member is on this list of cosponsors:
http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.113hr1861
Thank him or her. If not, ask him or her to sign on.

Believe it or not, writing in does make a difference. Maybe not so much with emails and some website's "click here to send a letter to your Congressman", but actual personal letters. You may get a bit of a generic response, but a tally is kept and when there is a growing interest the Legislative staff will act on it.

At least call - just dial 202-224-3121 and ask for your Congressman's office, then tell the person who answers that you would like the Congressman to sign on. Note that there are significant hurdles to passage.

For what it is worth, I was stopped in one of these during Memorial Day a year or two ago. The highlight of the 30-minute stop was being lectured on motorcycle safety by a motor officer wearing a half-helmet, short sleeve shirt, rayon pants and those knee-high boots with no protection whatsoever (yes I was ATGATT - Aerostich, full face modular, combat touring boots.)
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Old 06-09-2013, 10:41 AM   #90
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I wouldn't stop...

If they want to pull me over... They need to pull me over. I would roll on past this check point.
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