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Old 06-09-2013, 06:41 PM   #91
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sorry i've been away for a couple days. so F you, you asshole. where in the hell did i reference the Holocaust. i thought everyone was familiar with this poem. The statement was published in a 1955 book by Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free,
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

i doubt you are literate enough to understand it however. so in closing f you .

I don't know, maybe here?

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i'm going to second offcambers opinion here and philbs. that attitude is dangerous to our freedoms. i.e. the saying "when they came for the jews i did not object because i was not a jew." don't let your rights slip away a little at a time.
Seriously, if you get this worked up over this, maybe you should stay off the internet!

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PS Tossing out F-bombs and calling names does nothing to further your credibility!
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:53 PM   #92
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That is such crap! No one complains when the Border Patrol stops every car at the 25 mile checkpoint looking for illegals, been done forever.

I reiterate, what rights to privacy are you giving up? You are showing nothing other than you have the appropriate documents to be legally riding a motorcycle on the streets, AS THE LAW STATES YOU MUST AT ALL TIMES!

Comparring this to the holocaust is such crap. It only makes you look like a paranoid fool!

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name calling. so i repeat. f-u
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Old 06-09-2013, 07:16 PM   #93
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name calling. so i repeat. f-u
OK, obviously rational conversation with you is not going to happen. Hell, from seeing posts on other threads, it doesn't happen with anyone.

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Old 06-09-2013, 08:30 PM   #94
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First of all, for those of you who live there, I feel for you, I really do. There is nothing you can do to fight it really!

Easy for those on board here, to say if you don't like the law change it.

Problem is Motorcyclist's are a minority, and the rest of the sheep really don't care.

Hell from what I am reading here, some of the sheep ride Motorcycles themselves.

If you can GTFO, whether next week, or next year, or if you have to wait till you retire, do so.

Another liberal East-coast shithole going down the toilet fast. While a majority of the state ain't too bad, the political BS emanating from NYC is going to destroy the whole state.

And I am not just talking about Motorcycle checkpoints, that is just the tip of the iceberg.

One more thing if Mayor Bloomberg is a Republican, I would sure hate to see one of your Democrats.

And I though Kalifornia was bad jeezz!
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Old 06-10-2013, 05:32 AM   #95
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It was fought about 3 years ago and was upheld by a Federal Judge....it will remain until the legislature decides to make it illegal (unlikely) or it goes to the Supreme Court and they overturn the lower court ruling.

NH and VT do seem to be one of last bastions of Freedom in the North East...


I believe we have given to much power to the Police, even when they are found to be in the wrong, they still win because it costs thousands of dollars to fight them in court. I respect LEO but I expect courtesy and respect in return and I don't see that often.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:34 AM   #96
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It was fought about 3 years ago and was upheld by a Federal Judge....it will remain until the legislature decides to make it illegal (unlikely) or it goes to the Supreme Court and they overturn the lower court ruling.

NH and VT do seem to be one of last bastions of Freedom in the North East...


I believe we have given to much power to the Police, even when they are found to be in the wrong, they still win because it costs thousands of dollars to fight them in court. I respect LEO but I expect curiosity and respect in return and I don't see that often.
This is interesting information. I am surprised that a clever lawyer couldn't challenge this as profiling. Then again, they allow that in NYC now too so....

It's a real bummer because 90% of the LEO's in NYC are a great bunch, they just have a lousy boss.
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Old 06-10-2013, 06:36 AM   #97
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If you set up a mini van only check point, you would have a big problem. How is the single vehicle type inspection any different than a Truck Weigh Station?
What happens if I ride into NY on my ZX-14 an the Full Brocks Mega phone system?
because weigh stations cater to commercial, federally regulated, vehicles. Like planes...on;y the pay sucks.

Thats why.

POV check points are bullshit, thats part of the reason I left NC.

If I am doing something wrong, pull me over, otherwise...fuck off
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Old 06-10-2013, 08:53 AM   #98
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It was fought about 3 years ago and was upheld by a Federal Judge....it will remain until the legislature decides to make it illegal (unlikely) or it goes to the Supreme Court and they overturn the lower court ruling.

This was the basis for my assertion that the statement of "don't like the law, change it" is uninformed. The NY legislature is not the Voice of the People- take it on faith, Jim.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:12 AM   #99
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Can't believe it....

I can't believe this disaster of a thread hasn't gotten punted to CSM yet!


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If they want to pull me over... They need to pull me over. I would roll on past this check point.
That's because, NYPD doesn't look like this:






Instead, we get:



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Old 06-10-2013, 09:46 AM   #100
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Probable cause is in the eye of the beholder, but I don't like being singled out just because I'm on a motorcycle. That's harassment.
I think these motorcycle "safety" checkpoints are as bogus as the next guy but I just came by to make sure everyone's aware that probable cause is not the legal standard required to make a traffic stop. Probable cause is the legal standard required to make an arrest or to conduct a search.

The legal standard to make a traffic stop (or for the police to stop you as you're walking down the street) was long ago defined by the courts as "reasonable suspicion," generally defined as suspicion that a reasonable officer would have, based upon specifically articulable facts, that you did or might be doing something criminal and stopping you/detaining you briefly is justified in order to investigate further.
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:56 AM   #101
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NY State has repeatedly raided the money in the dedicated motorcycle safety fund, and placed it in the general fund; ignoring a state finance law prohibition against such action. The money is collected from a surcharge fee on every motorcycle registration and is to be used only for motorcycle safety programs.
This is the true injustice.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:35 AM   #102
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I too have no problem with being stopped for a license, insurance or DUI check.
Really?! What happened to your right to be left the hell alone if you aren't bothering anyone. The DUI thing I can sorta see, because a drunk driver is aclear and present danger. But expired regristration!
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:25 AM   #103
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Being as I am someone who generally refuses to accept a claim put forward until given evidence to support said claim, I'd be interested to see data on whether checkpoints offer any kind of net gain for a given community as a whole and not just the coffers. I'd also like more transparency in the handling of these funds with money taken for "violations" to be funneled back into programs that demonstrably contribute to roadway safety.

If the goal is to take a stand and make the roads more safe, the biggest issues I find are lack of driver training, poor driving habits, and distracted driving. However, much like trying to lower the crime rate in high crime cities, this isn't going to be a quick and easy fix that you can lazily implement with a few pen strokes or TSA-grade "security theater." It's going to take a great deal of time, effort, the shift will be very gradual, and when it's all set and done, there probably won't be any profits to be had or elections won as a result.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:26 AM   #104
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I think these motorcycle "safety" checkpoints are as bogus as the next guy but I just came by to make sure everyone's aware that probable cause is not the legal standard required to make a traffic stop. Probable cause is the legal standard required to make an arrest or to conduct a search.

The legal standard to make a traffic stop (or for the police to stop you as you're walking down the street) was long ago defined by the courts as "reasonable suspicion," generally defined as suspicion that a reasonable officer would have, based upon specifically articulable facts, that you did or might be doing something criminal and stopping you/detaining you briefly is justified in order to investigate further.
Its still probable cause no matter how they define it....

But you still need to do something to warrant REASONABLE suspicion. The fact that you are on a motorcycle is no reason for them to be suspicious unless they are profiling which is illegal. How can you have reasonable suspicion when operating a check point??? Because they chose to ride a motorcycle that day?? The bottom line is LEO can make up any reason they want to stop you...and they do all the time....

Don't fool yourself...their cars shouldn't say "to protect and serve"....."To harass and fine" would be more accurate.
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Old 06-10-2013, 11:31 AM   #105
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Being as I am someone who generally refuses to accept a claim put forward until given evidence to support said claim, I'd be interested to see data on whether checkpoints offer any kind of net gain for a given community as a whole and not just the coffers. I'd also like more transparency in the handling of these funds with money taken for "violations" to be funneled back into programs that demonstrably contribute to roadway safety.

If the goal is to take a stand and make the roads more safe, the biggest issues I find are lack of driver training, poor driving habits, and distracted driving. However, much like trying to lower the crime rate in high crime cities, this isn't going to be a quick and easy fix that you can lazily implement with a few pen strokes or TSA-grade "security theater." It's going to take a great deal of time, effort, the shift will be very gradual, and when it's all set and done, there probably won't be any profits to be had or elections won as a result.

This is their claim but they(NYPD) do nothing, by their own admission, to stop all of the illegal dirtbikes that troll through Harlem, The Bronx, Queens etc. One night I counted 35 unregistered bikes heading south on 8th Ave right in front of the 28th precinct bldg and not one officer hopped in his car or made any move to stop them.

Add the fact that it's common knowledge in NYC you don't leave anything looking like a dirtbike on the street unchained since it will get stolen leads one to wonder why the cops don't go after these guys since most likely they will get a two-fer... Stolen property and reckless driving etc...
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