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Old 06-24-2013, 04:51 AM   #1
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Dark Side Video Cam

Interesting but I would like to see more , like what happens in a critical moment . I'm not saying yea or nay , just trying to keep an open mind ..sort of .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hw-mVH-D9LM


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Old 06-24-2013, 08:05 AM   #2
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There are lots more dark side 'tire cam' videos on YouTube that have more aggressive riding. One from long ago was a dark sided Valkyrie, leaned over at high speed repeatedly. You could see that contact patch of the car tire seems to be greater than regular moto tire.
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Old 06-24-2013, 08:46 AM   #3
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This topic has been extensively discussed in other parts of ADV. Has anyone seen a scooter running a car tire?
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Old 06-24-2013, 09:06 AM   #4
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This topic has been extensively discussed in other parts of ADV. Has anyone seen a scooter running a car tire?
I have had a car tire on the back wheel of my Burgman 650 for over 14k mi. before selling it. Best money saving mod ever.





Here's the Valkyrie video:



Comparison video of moto tire on Valkyrie:



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Old 06-24-2013, 09:26 AM   #5
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You will never see me running a car tire on a scooter.
I doubt I'll ever try it either but I can see why people do it since they do last a LOT longer than MC/Scooter tires.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:01 AM   #6
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Yes, you've stated your opinion.
Unless you have practical experience you can share, move on.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:25 AM   #7
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I don't need to stick my hand in the fire to know its hot.
So figure out another way.

From your previous posts, seems that you don't even want to know about fire.

Just move on, nothing for you here.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:44 AM   #8
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For a man so sure in his convictions, there is no need to get defensive.
Besides this is an open forum and I didn't see you listed as the owner. Heck, you are not even the OP.
You're the one that said "never", so why bother saying more?

Open forum needs an open mind, your mind is closed.
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Old 06-24-2013, 10:48 AM   #9
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I have no actual experience with car tires on bikes but here's my 2 cents. I have no doubt that running a car tire will have some adverse affect on handling. How much I don't know. I'm sure there is some risk involved but then there is some risk involved in a lot of things, like not riding ATGATT, exceeding the speed limit, or even riding instead of driving that multiple airbag equipped minivan. Everyone needs to decide which risks they are willing to take. The reason I am unlikely to put car tires on a bike is because running hard through the curves is one of the things I really enjoy. How the bike "feels" is important to me and I suspect that the square profile of the car tire will upset that feel and make the bike less neutral.

If someone ever offers to let me ride their car tire equipped bike, I'll, probably take them up on it just to see what it's like.
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Old 06-24-2013, 01:10 PM   #10
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Mr Klaviator, if you're ever over this part of the world for a visit, then feel free to look me up, you can ride my car-tyre-equipped X8 250ie.

Not to sway anybody one way or the other, but here goes........

1. Handling: It needs a little bit more steering input on the bars to stay down, the sqr tyre has a very slight tendency to keep the bike upright.
2. Braking:improved.
3. Dynamics: The bike has less tendency to "tramtrack", and has more straight-line directional stability.
4. Lean angle: I have scraped both the centre-stand on one side and the stock muffler on the other while chasing friends on more suitable equipment.

Most importantly to me, I have now done 5500km on the tyre in 6 months, and it looks like new. Normally in my conditions (high heat in summer, lots of gravel, constant highway with abrasive surfacing), that means I'd be fitting my 3rd tyre by now........at the same price as my 145/70R12 Hankook car tyre.

Finally. It's not really that big a deal gentlemen, I rekn just ride the things, argue physics with college boys for a giggle if you must, but just ride.
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Old 06-24-2013, 02:09 PM   #11
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Mr Klaviator, if you're ever over this part of the world for a visit, then feel free to look me up, you can ride my car-tyre-equipped X8 250ie.

Not to sway anybody one way or the other, but here goes........

1. Handling: It needs a little bit more steering input on the bars to stay down, the sqr tyre has a very slight tendency to keep the bike upright.
2. Braking:improved.
3. Dynamics: The bike has less tendency to "tramtrack", and has more straight-line directional stability.
4. Lean angle: I have scraped both the centre-stand on one side and the stock muffler on the other while chasing friends on more suitable equipment.

Most importantly to me, I have now done 5500km on the tyre in 6 months, and it looks like new. Normally in my conditions (high heat in summer, lots of gravel, constant highway with abrasive surfacing), that means I'd be fitting my 3rd tyre by now........at the same price as my 145/70R12 Hankook car tyre.

Finally. It's not really that big a deal gentlemen, I rekn just ride the things, argue physics with college boys for a giggle if you must, but just ride.
Thanks for the offer although I doubt I'll be able to take you up on it. I have visited your country in the past but that was when my rich Uncle Sam was paying me to travel around the world.

It's good to see some one else riding their scooter like it's a sportbike

And I agree with you. It's not that big of a deal. It's not like anyone is being forced to put car tires on their bike.

PS. I have a MOTORCYCLE tire on the back of my Scooter. What does that make me?

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Old 07-01-2013, 03:34 AM   #12
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Old 07-01-2013, 06:11 AM   #13
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Back to the OP video. That car tire is on a Softail, not exactly the best handling motorcycle ever made. Might just be the perfect bike for a car tire. Uh, or maybe not? Anyway I have been wondering if trailer tires might be better for scooters. They have similar diameters and some even seem to have a slightly rounded profile, I'll find some pics. There are some "creepy ass cracker" cheap trailer tires out there so obviously you would want to avoid those.



This is a 10 inch Loadstar trailer tile.

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Old 07-01-2013, 06:54 AM   #14
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If there is a trailer tire that is designed to deliver power/torque to propel a vehicle, then I would be incline to try it.

From what I know, trailer tires are not necessarily less expensive than car tires, do not last as long as car tires.. miss the purpose of getting a rear tire that's cheaper and longer lasting than moto tires.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:16 AM   #15
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If there is a trailer tire that is designed to deliver power/torque to propel a vehicle, then I would be incline to try it.

From what I know, trailer tires are not necessarily less expensive than car tires, do not last as long as car tires.. miss the purpose of getting a rear tire that's cheaper and longer lasting than moto tires.
You make a number of good points. I'm not a member, nor will I ever be a member of the dark side. On the other hand CVT drives seem almost perfect for trailer tires in the measured way they transmit power, and the words power and torque are not often used in connection with smaller scoots. All this for those who might be inclined to experiment, again that would not be me. I want the best, safest, sportiest tire I can get for my two wheel vehicles.
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