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Old 07-02-2013, 12:22 PM   #1
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Is 10hp enough

Hi all. I've been wanting to get a hack for a while now. I have a Honda CM200T Twinstar (yes big name for a little bike) that is just sitting. I got to looking for a small sidecar and came across the indian made Inder sidecars. All I really want the hack to do is haul my butt and my dogs butt around on country roads. My question is do you think a little 10hp 200cc Honda would be enough for city/country driving (55mph max)? Is a smaller lighter hack harder to learn on, or would it be good for a noob?

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Old 07-02-2013, 12:31 PM   #2
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Hi all. I've been wanting to get a hack for a while now. I have a Honda CM200T Twinstar (yes big name for a little bike) that is just sitting. I got to looking for a small sidecar and came across the indian made Inder sidecars. All I really want the hack to do is haul my butt and my dogs butt around on country roads. My question is do you think a little 10hp 200cc Honda would be enough for city/country driving (55mph max)? Is a smaller lighter hack harder to learn on, or would it be good for a noob?

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My wild guess is no. It would move, but I do not think it would move fast enough to get out of the way.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:10 PM   #3
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Doubt you'll see anything close to 55 mph.
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Old 07-02-2013, 01:10 PM   #4
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With all of the 100cc Bajaj sidecar rigs running around Asia I would think that CM200T would work quite well for an around town rig with an Inder.
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:02 PM   #5
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Doubt you'll see anything close to 55 mph.

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and I'd bet a month's pay on it.

I had a Twinstar in the early 80s. It would just barely do 55 two-up on a long flat road. There's not a chance it'll do it pushing that much wind.
With substantially lower gearing it would be a fun grocery getter, but more suited to a top end of 40 than 55
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:13 PM   #6
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I had to go up a tooth on the front sprocket on my CB400 to maintain 60mph in 6th gear on the flats with a Velorex 562. And it still takes a long time to get there. High gear was completely useless before that. It is supposedly 30-some ponies, but it is old and been ridden hard and I expect it's on the low end of that nowadays.

Based on that, I personally don't think 10 ponies would be safe anywhere the speed limit was more than 25 or 30 mph. :(

I bet it would get great gas mileage, though!
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Old 07-02-2013, 05:25 PM   #7
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do it

40 max is OK for shopping trips? then do it. A friend had a 8 HP 125cc Gilera with a sidecar, and we had plenty of fun with it around the city.
Especially in the snow and ice.
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Old 07-02-2013, 06:55 PM   #8
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BTW, I just checked to see if my memory served me and I was right. It's a whopping 17 HP!

...and STILL won't hit 55 tugging even a very small chair around.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:44 AM   #9
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Yes, it's true, you won't be able to set the land speed record on it but it would be fun!

For all of you "Nay" sayers, in college I rode a Honda XL175 with a small home-made sidecar. I carried a metal tool box on it with chunks of steel inside for balast. Riding it down I-25 from downtown Colorado Springs to Pikes Peak Community College daily, I could usually do speeds of 55 mph to 62 mph. So, I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it not being able to do 50 mph.

I say give it a go and have some fun!
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:56 AM   #10
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Is a 200 Twin star really only 10 hp?

I had a reflex scooter with a sidecar that did 55 on the flats fairly easy.
Topped out around 65.
That was a 250cc single, supposedly around 19 hp.
Probably better aerodynamics than a conventional bike though.
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:27 AM   #11
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Yes, it's true, you won't be able to set the land speed record on it but it would be fun!

For all of you "Nay" sayers, in college I rode a Honda XL175 with a small home-made sidecar. I carried a metal tool box on it with chunks of steel inside for balast. Riding it down I-25 from downtown Colorado Springs to Pikes Peak Community College daily, I could usually do speeds of 55 mph to 62 mph. So, I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it not being able to do 50 mph.

I say give it a go and have some fun!




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Is a 200 Twin star really only 10 hp?

I had a reflex scooter with a sidecar that did 55 on the flats fairly easy.
Topped out around 65.
That was a 250cc single, supposedly around 19 hp.
Probably better aerodynamics than a conventional bike though.

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Old 07-03-2013, 10:05 AM   #12
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Well looks like I was wrong in my memory of the HP output. All I know is its 33 years old and tops out at 68ish MPH on a good day with my fat butt on it. And yes I am very aware that I need enough power to get out of the way. I figured I would need to drop at least 1 tooth on the front sprocket. And thus losing some top end. This added with the drag of the hack will drop the top speed. So I may gamble and buy one of the little Inder rocket sidecars. I just hope it would be able to hold 45mph with a little power left to get up to 50mph or so.

So what about a small light hack for a noob. Is it easier to learn to drive or harder? I've been riding solo bikes for 24 years and know driving a hack is a whole new set of skills.

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Old 07-03-2013, 10:27 AM   #13
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I didn't have too much trouble learning with the Velorex. I'd say it's probably 70 lb or so. It flies really really easy when empty.

IMO, just add a crapton of ballast, then lighten it up a little each day as you practice until you can make emergency maneuvers with an empty hack without dying. :P

I used an old 3-phase electric motor that was probably 100lb at first, then 2 cinderblocks, then one cinderblock.

Don't despair of your top speed with a huge learning ballast. I gain about 20mph between empty and having that electric motor in mine. :P

Please post pictures of your project as it progresses!
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Old 07-03-2013, 10:34 AM   #14
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A little outfit like you mentioned though not fast would still be a fun local ride. The principals are the same learning on a small or larger outfit. If you learn on a smaller hack and then move to a larger outfit there will be a transition phase learning that particular bikes characteristics. I drove a Ural 1000 miles home never been on one before. I later took a sidecar class using the class bikes which were smaller/lighter around 300-400cc bikes. Skills learned transfered seamlessly to the Ural. Putting a hack "correctly" on to a two wheeler can get expensive. Financially I would suggest buying/building an outfit you plan to keep and learn on it.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:18 PM   #15
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A small outfit will show all the traits that a sidecar rig has at lower speeds and with less effort. It will be more sensitive to static weight distribution and weight transfer when underway. You will probably find that it tends to loft the sidecar wheel easier. Adding ballast can help but that will also mean you are pulling more weight. Is all this negative? I really don't think so but ,yes, it would be a little harder to get accustomed to than a larger heavier outfit.
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