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Old 07-03-2013, 02:31 AM   #1
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:59 AM   #2
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I bet that's fun in the twisties!
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Old 07-03-2013, 12:07 PM   #3
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For the swaybar phobics

Cool at 1:21 to 1:30 you can see the swaybar and how it works, the only surprise is it's not bigger must that as low as the rig sets its big enough.DB
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:03 PM   #4
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Cool at 1:21 to 1:30 you can see the swaybar and how it works, the only surprise is it's not bigger must that as low as the rig sets its big enough.DB
Right...I think most of the HP sidecars run a 5/8" or so diameter anti-swaybar that is quite long. They are not dealing with a tall bike with a high center of gravity like we typically are on the adventure type bikes.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:14 PM   #5
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How does attaching it to a moving swing arm help with sway control??
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:35 PM   #6
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How does attaching it to a moving swing arm help with sway control??
Dan here's a nice explanation, the bar ties both swing arms together.DB
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/swaybars.htm
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Old 07-03-2013, 08:46 PM   #7
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How does attaching it to a moving swing arm help with sway control??
Check out this article on sidecar sway bars by Bill Ballou:
http://www.hpsidecar.com/sidecararti...ar/Page31.html
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Old 07-04-2013, 06:03 AM   #8
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I see said the blind man makes perfect sense.

But from my browsing around it seems there are a lot of sidecars that don't use them. Why is that, just too much trouble, or does it really only show a need for off road or HP applications? After all the work attaching the car to a bike it doesn't seem like so much extra and should help the handling a lot.

On my GS it must require welding something onto the rear drive as a clamp doesn't seem feasible.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:36 AM   #9
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I see said the blind man makes perfect sense.

But from my browsing around it seems there are a lot of sidecars that don't use them. Why is that, just too much trouble, or does it really only show a need for off road or HP applications? After all the work attaching the car to a bike it doesn't seem like so much extra and should help the handling a lot.

On my GS it must require welding something onto the rear drive as a clamp doesn't seem feasible.
Dan look at the images of my rig or Zippers rig, there's allot of fear and loathing of any sort of change in the sidecar world and if you don't sell it you may be against it as that is easier than change.DB
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Old 07-04-2013, 05:48 PM   #10
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Sidecar guys stuck in a rut, eh

Well I'm new at this so I don't have any preconceived notions, just love to learn.
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Old 07-04-2013, 07:59 PM   #11
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I see said the blind man makes perfect sense.

But from my browsing around it seems there are a lot of sidecars that don't use them. Why is that, just too much trouble, or does it really only show a need for off road or HP applications? After all the work attaching the car to a bike it doesn't seem like so much extra and should help the handling a lot.

On my GS it must require welding something onto the rear drive as a clamp doesn't seem feasible.
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Old 07-05-2013, 05:56 AM   #12
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:28 PM   #13
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I see said the blind man makes perfect sense.

But from my browsing around it seems there are a lot of sidecars that don't use them. Why is that, just too much trouble, or does it really only show a need for off road or HP applications? After all the work attaching the car to a bike it doesn't seem like so much extra and should help the handling a lot.

On my GS it must require welding something onto the rear drive as a clamp doesn't seem feasible.
Dan:

Here's pictures of how Claude connected his swaybar to my DMC-built rig using heim-joints:

Left side:

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Right Side:

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Here's what the swaybar ends look like:
Left side:

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Right side:

[IMG][/IMG]

I've not seen/heard any rational argument for NOT using a sway bar. Closest is "It needs to be removed when riding on the gnarly nasty roads."

Well, OK. Unhook 2 bolts. But 99.9% of us never get into a situation where we would need to do that. It MAY reduce ground clearance on the car side, but it doesn't on the bike side.

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Old 07-10-2013, 04:34 PM   #14
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Another interesting thing about the video is how little the rider moves around - the monkey is throwing his weight to the inside of the curves but the rider stays almost still in the saddle.

Not what we are taught in our sidecar riding classes.

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Old 07-10-2013, 06:33 PM   #15
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After chasing Claude around when I picked up my bike and following the going in to hot thread there is allot to be learned about throttle modulation when turning, hanging off is OK (not pushing off) but it takes some energy.There are allot of benefits to entering a turn a little slower and being smoother and coming out allot faster with less hanging off etc etc. Even my woman friend commented tonight that we're going faster with less drama she leans a bit and I lean a little and work on being smoother.DB
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