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Old 07-03-2013, 02:22 PM   #16
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What has held up diesel cars in the US is the EPA which hates diesel and the leftover perception of diesel cars from the GM fiasco in the late 70's and early 80's
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Old 07-03-2013, 02:49 PM   #17
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What has held up diesel cars in the US is the EPA which hates diesel and the leftover perception of diesel cars from the GM fiasco in the late 70's and early 80's
Ive heard that a lot. But that's 30+ years ago!

Do Americans somehow get a pass on this subject? Who the hell is alive and buying cars that even remembers those days?
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Old 07-03-2013, 03:49 PM   #18
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That would be sweet.
Until you have to replace the injection pump...

If there was an honest SMALL pickup with a 4 banger diesel that got, say 35mpg, id be interested. Otherwise f150 ecoboost...

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Old 07-03-2013, 04:07 PM   #19
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Diesels are coming

The US standard is cleaner than the European one right now but the new European standard is almost the same as the current US one.

What this means is that Car makers can now bring over their European diesel engines without modification.
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:12 PM   #20
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The Ram 1500 will be available with the 3.0 liter diesel from the Jeep Grand Cherokee in 2014.

Should have a lot better mileage
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:21 PM   #21
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I'd kill for a new small Toyota pickup with a diesel
I'd think this would fly off the lots. It'd be big on my radar for sure. Gotta convince Toyota to make a small truck again though .
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Old 07-03-2013, 04:26 PM   #22
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Ive heard that a lot. But that's 30+ years ago!

Do Americans somehow get a pass on this subject? Who the hell is alive and buying cars that even remembers those days?
Me.

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Old 07-03-2013, 04:27 PM   #23
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Of the several advantages of diesel is how it is typically priced cheaper, and this helps the pay-back point to be within the typical ownership time to where there is an over-all savings.
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While I agree with most of your post, here in the US, diesel has been pricier than gas for a while...

link to average fuel prices
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:00 PM   #24
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The Passat TDI thread has me wondering about the future of diesel in the US.

Anyone have news about upcoming offerings for diesel passenger cars here in the States? I seem to keep hearing that stuff is coming, but it never does.

I really miss my Jetta TDI, but don't miss the inept VW support at all. I think I heard that Mazda may be bringing diesels over?

My Subaru salesman says that the Subaru bigwigs kinda clam up at the regional meeting when questions about diesels are asked (I so want a Crosstreck with turbo diesel and 6 speed manual ).

What about BMW?

Ford should have a Fusion diesel, dammit!

So, anyone have the scoop on diesels?
have you heard anything about Subaru diesels reliability over seas? I also have a thing for the crosstrek and hoping for the diesel in the states.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:02 PM   #25
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I recently saw a report (that I cant find now) showing the cost savings overall for gas vs. diesel.

With diesel fuel currently selling for more than gasoline (and as Moto medic said it's been that way for some time) It would take about 10years for the average driver to break even with the higher upfront purchase price.

In Europe where diesel is heavily subsidized and is cheaper than gasoline it more like 2-3 years.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:07 PM   #26
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Heh, well i was just looking into the NEW mazda 2.2 diesel. Looks like they've made some advancements by *lowering* the CR to 14:1, according to them lets the fuel mix with air mo bettah for a cleaner burn negating the need for exhaust after-treatment systems, while also reducing the engine wight because it doesn't have to be as strong.

So we'll see IF they release it in the U.S. what it's fuel efficiency numbers are. I'll be in the market for a new car in about a year (and the new 6 has piqued my interest), and am willing to be a mazda diesel tester when the time comes. Only if they release it with a 6MT though. No slushbox for me.

I used to be a big TDI fan, but that went downhill after the ALH motors. Not to mention the rest of the car being.. uhm... well 'not great'.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:16 PM   #27
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I don't really think there is too much of a future for them here anymore. What I see is ever better efficient gasoline engines coming out which knock on the door of diesel mileage (like the Mazda 6; 2.5l, 185 torques, 185 hp, 37mpg highway).
Knocking on the door of city mpg - the worst mileage I've gotten on my Passat TDI is 38. Don't forget it's the world record holder for one tank of fuel at 1600 miles....

http://news.discovery.com/autos/driv...iesel-fuel.htm

i do have to agree about the other stuff as far as it being a bit more complicated that most people care to deal with.....however the more common they get, the easier they will be to deal with. I see more and more all the time.
ill take regular 40+ mpg fillups and 600-700 miles per tank - thanks. That's worth the extra money for the TDI in itself
Id kill to have that motor in my Jeep and not that piece of shit AMC 258
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:20 PM   #28
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Well I hope to some day eat my first post. I've always been a fan of diesel, it just seemed that gasoline engine technology has been outpacing diesel lately.

Now, diesel-hybrids...

City mileage is not a huge concern for me. I'd say 80% of my driving is 55mph+.
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Old 07-03-2013, 05:42 PM   #29
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Well I hope to some day eat my first post. I've always been a fan of diesel, it just seemed that gasoline engine technology has been outpacing diesel lately.

Now, diesel-hybrids....
Its certainly the overwhelming majority of the cars on the roads are gas. Smaller displacement, less weight and better engineering are definitely the key..... not BMW's answer to diesel which is 9 turbos and 19 mpg
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Old 07-03-2013, 06:30 PM   #30
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I recently saw a report (that I cant find now) showing the cost savings overall for gas vs. diesel.

With diesel fuel currently selling for more than gasoline (and as Moto medic said it's been that way for some time) It would take about 10years for the average driver to break even with the higher upfront purchase price.

In Europe where diesel is heavily subsidized and is cheaper than gasoline it more like 2-3 years.
The hell with the cost!

My TDI Jetta had balls that could pull foundations from buildings! I could manually shift the gear and just disappear on the road. My little BRZ with an efficient 2.0 liter gas motor takes much more effort to achieve the same kind of "in your pants" pull.

As a driving enthusiast, turbo deisel seems to be the way to go. It really annoys me that everywhere else in the world I can get a turbo diesel with manual, but over here I can't (except VW, and I wouldn't buy another POS VW to save the world).

I gotta move to Europe.
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