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Old 07-06-2013, 12:22 PM   #46
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One can almost argue that the direct injection gas engines are more or less diesels that run on another fuel.

TQ is where diesels have it all over gas engines. There probably will always be a market for diesels for people that haul stuff on a regular basis.

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True. Whats that old saying "people buy horsepower but drive torque"

I'm admittedly a bit excited over the mazda 6 diesel. Its on my short list of cars to check out next year when it's car time. I only hope that mazda doesnt shoot themselves in the foot by only offering it in automatic in the highest trim level (ala VW) thereby commanding a ~$34k price tag. That would in my mind completely defeat the whole concept of the frugality of said engine. Twelve grans buys a whole hell of a lot of fuel. Not to mention People in this country are still a bit timid about diesels and if mazda wants to eat into vw's market share, they have to offer a car thats better for less. I only hope theyre listening because id want a base model in 6 speed for $22k. Thats just within my price range.

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Old 07-06-2013, 01:47 PM   #47
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I really miss my Jetta TDI, but don't miss the inept VW support at all.
Ditto!

We replaced ours with a Ford C-Max Hybrid, mileage is currently 42ish+ MPG with 1,500 miles on the clock, close enough to the TDI especially when $4.29 for regular and $4.79 for diesel are factored in. Had the Liberty CRD for six years too, same story worthless techs at the stealership...

Had the chance to drive a ton of euro diesels while in Germany, none of them disappointed, Fiat, Ford, Renault, Skoda and Mercedes high MPG, nicely appointed and plenty of power and speed.

I'm holding out for a small turbo diesel pickup truck, VW, Toyota, Mitsubishi something please!
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Old 07-06-2013, 03:18 PM   #48
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I wonder this, too.

The US Navy was using diesel electric for their submarines at the start of WWII. It is by no means a new technology, though the application as you describe is one I haven't heard before.
Some Trains are diesel electric

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Old 07-06-2013, 04:30 PM   #49
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Of the several advantages of diesel is how it is typically priced cheaper, and this helps the pay-back point to be within the typical ownership time to where there is an over-all savings./
Is that true in Canada?

In the US diesel is considerably more expensive.
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Old 07-06-2013, 05:05 PM   #50
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Is that true in Canada?

In the US diesel is considerably more expensive.
Depends on where you are in the U.S.

The one big advantage of diesel driving experience is the abundant and low end torque. Whether that's the worth the fuel premium is a personal choice I suppose. I personally like it - accelerating up a steep hill in 4th gear at 2000 rpm in a 90 hp VW years ago sold me.

Advenzer - pretty much ALL trains are diesel-electric. Big 2 stroke (very efficient) diesels. They pretty much have 3 speeds - idle, cruise, and WOT.
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Old 07-06-2013, 06:40 PM   #51
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That's why we're seeing dozers and excavators going to diesel/electric.

Meh.

LeTourneau did this 50 years ago, with scrapers, wheel loaders and dozers and off-road haul trucks.

Technology has improved, but concept is the same. Of course, Cat comes in and touts it as their bold new improvement.
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Old 07-07-2013, 04:08 AM   #52
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Depends on where you are in the U.S.

The one big advantage of diesel driving experience is the abundant and low end torque. Whether that's the worth the fuel premium is a personal choice I suppose. I personally like it - accelerating up a steep hill in 4th gear at 2000 rpm in a 90 hp VW years ago sold me.

Advenzer - pretty much ALL trains are diesel-electric. Big 2 stroke (very efficient) diesels. They pretty much have 3 speeds - idle, cruise, and WOT.
Yep I am a convert.the turbo diesel is sorta like a petrol engine but only paying the fuel for an engine a third of the size but with a good range too

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Old 07-07-2013, 06:05 PM   #53
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I think a diesel electric hybrid with a small diesel and an on demand electric motor would satisfy the needs of most people. The electric motor kicks in in high torque applications (accelerating, climbing, etc) and the diesel motor does the driving most of the rest of the time.
Ive quite grown to like the diesel driving style, especially after having driven a 2 liter gas engine for so many years - I LOVE the torque. I got so tired of constantly winding the motor out to get any acceleration.
The flip side to that is that the 2 liter VW diesel has NOTHING above about 2500 rpm - but who cares?
After adding a short shift, I really enjoy driving it. The stick shift action was a joke....
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Old 07-07-2013, 06:23 PM   #54
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and dont forget that the GTD comes out next year....



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Old 07-07-2013, 07:19 PM   #55
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I want a 9.3 liter turbo six that puts out less than 250hp. The torque must be beyond measure.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:40 PM   #56
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and dont forget that the GTD comes out next year....



Nice. If they would just make a Sportwagen "S" with that motor
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:47 PM   #57
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all that means is we in the USA gets what the rest of world have been driving (small diesels) for decades...

want a diesel Landcruiser? nope not in the USA, but sprinkled all over the world...
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:51 PM   #58
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Diesels and all other fuel efficient cars beware..

Been a Dieselphile since long. Had Peugeot 504D, Mercedes Benz 240D, 300D, 300TD wagon, Vw Jetta, VW Truck diesel that was build in PA.

Love em'.....but to my chagrin the State of NC is voting to penalize these cars plus all fuel efficient cars due to the fact they claim that the State does not get enough fuel tax money as we are too fuel efficient and go to pumps less.

They plan to tax you when filing your State tax...through Tag registration they will know you drive em'.

Let's vote these bums out!

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Old 07-07-2013, 09:25 PM   #59
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Been a Dieselphile since long. Had Peugeot 504D, Mercedes Benz 240D, 300D, 300TD wagon, Vw Jetta, VW Truck diesel that was build in PA.

Love em'.....but to my chagrin the State of NC is voting to penalize these cars plus all fuel efficient cars due to the fact they claim that the State does not get enough fuel tax money as we are too fuel efficient and go to pumps less.

They plan to tax you when filing your State tax...through Tag registration they will know you drive em'.

Let's vote these bums out!

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Thats tje stupidest thing ive heard... taxed on something you DONT use?!

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Old 07-07-2013, 09:29 PM   #60
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Thats tje stupidest thing ive heard... taxed on something you DONT use?!

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Hybrids in Virginia, same deal. At least they're talking about it.
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