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Old 08-23-2013, 11:25 AM   #121
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P200E is only good for 60mph? Thought a 200cc 2 stroke manual transmission bike would do better. Hopefully there is torque and efficiency in lieu of top speed.

There have been reports on modern vespa of a much higher speed with the Fly 3v.
P200E is rated for about 62 mph. Lots of folks will claim that with minor mods they are achieving considerably higher speeds than that. I have a SIP Road exhaust, and still consider 65mph as optimistic. If I'm going to get another scooter to haul behind my RV it needs to be faster, and more stable. I don't want to do 75 two up with 12 inch wheels....

The Fly appears to be an awesome scooter, just have to align capabilities to appropriate usage.....
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Old 09-03-2013, 08:18 AM   #122
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The Fly 150 3V is a awesome scooter and I've been waiting for a few reviews or owners to confirm this. I think the price is right, and I've owned larger and smaller scooters and found the 125 - 150cc class fits my riding style the best.

From what people have said so far, it appears to be a brilliant design and a great scooter overall.

However, I was expecting a bit more performance and am a little disappointed. There's certainly nothing wrong with the performance. It's just with the 3-valve head, fuel injection and reported horsepower specs I was hoping for a little more oomph.

Right now I'm riding a 2012 Times Nitro 150 (made by SYM). It's a simple 150cc air-cooled two-valve GY6B engine with a CV carb. My previous scooter was the almost legendary SYM HD 200, but I was willing to give up some power for a smaller sized scooter. I was pleasantly surprised by the Nitro 150's engine. With both my wife and me (260 lbs) it can attain 63 mph (actual) top speed on level ground averaged out in both directions. It cruises all day at 50 -55 mph with a little throttle in reserve and averages 85 mpg in all types of riding.

It only cost me $1800 new delivered to my door, so I'm having a very difficult time trying to justify buying the Fly 150 3V.

I was able to take a short test ride on Kymco's new Movie 150, unfortunately I didn't get the opportunity to test the top speed. It definitely felt like it had a few more beans than the Nitro 150, yet still had that smaller scooter feel that I prefer. I guess I was hoping the Piaggio's fuel injected 3-valve motor would have at least the same motivation that Kymco's 4-valve carbed motor does.
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Old 09-16-2013, 03:21 PM   #123
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Oh trust me I tried in vane to get a deal. I almost walked as I really don't need another scooter. I was shooting for MSRP + Tax and Licence but the margins on this particular scooter are almost nothing. They had plenty of Kymco's and Genuine Scooters they would have been happy to sell at an out the door price. They had Kymco Agility 125's for $2,200 and the had 2 Kymco Like 200's for $3,200. I was tempted because the Like 200 was obviously cheaper and more scooter. However it was not a brand new model and a Piaggio with Italian heritage. Honestly I thought the Like 200 was kind of Fugly.

I can see where Jerry is coming from. I don't much care for all the extra fees either and other then taxes and licensing and whatever title fees the state requires should really be rolled into the MSRP pricing structure. Honestly I don't think anyone likes it.

The dealer knew my experience and was aware of my position. They never tried a hard sell they just said how it was. They even shared the actual dealer cost on the Piaggio Fly 150. The scooter cost them $2,789 and they have to pay another $200 in freight to just to get it witch is a totally separate transaction for the dealership. They have a margin of a $110 on this scoot. Commissions have to be paid, lights have to be on plus rent..etc. The biggest killer on businesses is the B&O tax witch is a tax on gross revenue. Businesses like motorcycle dealerships gross a lot of money because of the high priced products they sell but because of the margins they don't make that much profit so whatever profit they make gets paid back to the state.

The real evil doers in the powersports industry is the manufactures. They have slowly increased the dealer cost over the years without raising the MSRP. This is putting a major squeeze on the the middle man the dealer. Its not helping that we have become a Wal Mart society and we expect the lowest price on everything we buy. Back when motorcycle dealerships had margins of $500 or more even on the small bikes and perhaps $1000's on large bikes it was pretty easy to get a deal and the fees waived just by asking. Not so much any longer you will pay those fees in one fashion or another. Even the dealers hate it because most customers just don't understand or care about the low margins. In some ways they should not and the business model needs to change between the dealerships and the manufactures. I agree Honda is the worst at the moment and even worse they are keeping the supply at a trickle for the dealerships. It does not help they come out with a bike they can easily sell 30 of them but only get 2 every few months. The popular and great CRF250L dual sport comes to mind.

I know several dealer owners. Not really well but buy enough bikes for long enough and you get to know these people better then most. Pretty much of the 3 that I know run the dealer more so as a hobby and an asset to the community then to make a lot of money. They are enthusiast just like us and its why they got into it long ago. Its something they enjoy doing. Yeah they all seem to have money and doing well but its because they have a hand in another business interest and the money they have is not made on the sales floor.

I actually had an opportunity a few years ago to possibly purchase one of the the dealers in the area as the owner was looking to retire. He thought I would be interested because of my interest in motorcycles. I did not have the cash to do it but I have enough poll in the banking and business world plus friends in high places to get a loan. This dealership is a bit unique in that they own the building witch is a huge plus. However after reviewing the P&L statements and the books it seems they did alright but in the end I would not be much left to make any money and pay the bank loan. Since we were knee deep in a financial crisis and at the time the power sports industry was in shambles with dealers closing left and right it never went into deeper consideration. It was all cool because the owner decided not to get out anyway.

My line of work is I run an independent movie theater. Another business that consumers believe rips customers off but we really don't make much money. Its startlingly similar to a motorcycle dealership. We are forced to charge $7 for a bag of popcorn because my margins are so little on movie tickets I have no choice. Theaters take up a lot of square footage so lots of maintenance involved. Plus you have payroll and taxes to pay. That B&O tax kills us. I would love to fight and get a break from the studios but its not going to happen. They are bigger then us. Until the studios change I am forced to charge ridiculous amounts on concessions. I make maybe 50 cents off each movie ticket sold but not really because they hit us with advertising fees as well. This actually digs into concession sales making the margins worse.

In the end even with the fees the Fly 150 was a lot less then the Vespa 150 they had on the floor and still even less then the Vespa 50 they had before fees were added to those. $2,899 is not much now days (unfortunately) so a few extra fees still made it a bargain in my book and that is all that matters.

What is highway robbery is some trades out there. Not sure how they get away with it. We had a toilet break at my work. Our plumber came out to replace it. Toilet was $900 (industrial type) witch was not a big deal but the guy charged us another $1200 to put it in. It only took him 30 minutes to do. We also had a kettle go on our popcorn machine. A replacement was over $4,000 and its just a hunk of round metal. The excuse I got was they assume we make a lot of money on popcorn.

When I was buying my scoot the head mechanic was actually up on the roof patching a roof leak. Obviously they don't have enough margins as it is to keep the place fully maintained. We are forced to do a lot of band aid repairs ourselves because it has become so bloody expensive getting anything fixed. The margins just don't support it.

Most businesses now days are just trying to survive let alone make an extra buck. A few bright bulbs out there and its assumed that the ones that are bright cheat the system but any honestly run business is having a struggle right now. Things are improving but a lot of is government fluff and not everyone is seeing it. Things are tough out there!
Nicely put 747. Being a small business person is not easy....

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Old 09-22-2013, 02:44 PM   #124
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:30 PM   #125
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The Black looks really nice as well!

I pulled my Fly 150 out of storage and did some running around during our surprise nice day yesterday. It will be my scooter of choice until its empty and then it will get its storage fill. Depending on what type of Fall we have it will either get ridden a lot or not much at all until Spring.
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Old 10-04-2013, 05:17 PM   #126
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We had a picture perfect day today in Seattle. So without any delay I hopped on the Fly and did my stuff. I literally went here there and everywhere and this thing just refused to burn through a tank of gas. I am now at 450 km on the clock 90 km of that was done just this afternoon and the gas gauge only moved 2 of the tiny tiny little bars. Also on highway 2 I did a high speed run and managed to reach 70 MPH indicated before running out of road and had to slow down. I could tell I was quickly reaching the maximum speed but if I had more road I probably could have squeezed another 5 MPH out of it. The engine was busy but butter smooth at that speed.
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Old 10-05-2013, 09:23 AM   #127
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I think I had seen on Justgottascoot.com that 70mph was actually true 60mph. Either way, still 5mph faster than a Zuma 125.
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Old 10-05-2013, 10:22 AM   #128
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I think I had seen on Justgottascoot.com that 70mph was actually true 60mph. Either way, still 5mph faster than a Zuma 125.
The speedometer does seem grossly optimistic. One of these years I will need to buy a GPS and test it for accuracy. Usually in a 35 MPH zone I have to travel at an indicated 43 MPH to keep up with the flow of traffic. So at an indicated 70 MPH I bet a true 60 MPH is about right.

After doing my stuff I swapped for the Agility 125 and took that to work. It has also sat for a month without being ridden and being on vacation and then record bad weather. It fired right up on first crank.

So its nice to see that the Typhoon, SportCity and now the Agility fire up on first crank even after sitting for a month.

Speaking of Typhoon I need to run over to the selling dealer and see what the story is with my horn? A few days before leaving I called them. They never got the horn in when first submitting the warranty claim so they did it again but its been over a month and I still have not heard anything. Really need a working horn on that bike or any bike around here. I have to use it at least a few times a week. Already needed it on the Typhoon but it no worky.
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Old 10-19-2013, 01:34 PM   #129
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Finely went through my second tank of gas. Its a slow process made even slower by my vacation to Europe in September and then the worst weather imaginable on my return. The past week or so have been nice but now I am running the tanks out on all the bikes for winter storage. The Fly 150 was in rotation the past few days and finished off the tank.

The last tank I pulled off 80 MPG. This is actually down 3 MPG from my last tank. However I have opened up the throttle a bit more and did a few high speed runs this last tank. Also I may have put an extra squirt of gas or 2. Still 80 MPG is pretty good for a Piaggio product.

I never do a full winterize as we can ride all year here. However sometimes it really does get the best of you. All I do is top off the tank with stabilizer and plug in the battery tender occasionally. If we get a break in the weather no matter what the month it will get ridden. However its possible it may end up sitting between now and Spring. I will report my findings as things go along.
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:10 PM   #130
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i just hit 1k km on mine and it is broken in niiiice. it still doesn't out-chase the pcx 150, but it pulls its own weight GREAT now and is a ton of fun. now, to find a good aftermarket exhaust for it so i can annoy the neighbors. i could fit one of the remus exhausts for the european vespa lx 150 3-valve but OUCH at those import prices...
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Old 04-08-2014, 01:18 PM   #131
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Pulled this bike out of storage yesterday. Looked as good as the day I put it away and it fired right up first crank. Gotta love Fuel Injection!

Pretty much road it around most of the day. It is a smooth running scoot and certainly can spool up and go fast. However it really is a disappointment off the line after coming off my PCX125 and Super 8 150.

Only issue after storage was the clock was not working. I did not think it got that cold this past winter. Same exact problem I am getting on the clock on my Agility 125. Sometimes it will show a hint of life by one of the LCD's lighting up but then it will quickly fade away. I am wondering if they will both just mysteriously start working again when it warms up?

Probably tackle this project at some point over the summer. If its like other Piaggio products it does not look all that difficult but a lot of work for just a clock battery. Hopefully the replacement battery holds up for far longer then whatever cheap battery they used as OEM.

My first thought was getting it covered under the warranty but apparently not many have been successful. Probably be better that I just figure it out on my own as I will need to do it on my own one day anyway.
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:23 AM   #132
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Hi there! Thanks for all of the information on the Fly! I'm in Washington as well and looked at the Fly at CycleBarn. They were extremely helpful and very friendly. Wouldn't hesitate to buy the scoot from them.
Anyways, I am seriously considering buying one, but not sure if the commute I plan to make on it is going to be asking too much of it or not. I'll be riding 45-50 miles one way, avoiding highways, highest speed limit on the roads I'd be on are 50.

Does it feel like it will comfortably maintain a speed of 50-55 for a bit?

I'm trying to find an inexpensive/fun way to get from my home in the woods (Enumclaw) to the big city everyday and I have pretty much settled on a scoot.

My only other idea is a Vespa S150, they are quite a bit more expensive, don't have the new 3v engine, but the range of accessories you can get is much larger, and I prefer the look of the S over the Fly. CycleBarn still has a new 2012 S150 that they have discounted, but still more money than the Fly.

Thanks in advance!

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Hi there! Thanks for all of the information on the Fly! I'm in Washington as well and looked at the Fly at CycleBarn. They were extremely helpful and very friendly. Wouldn't hesitate to buy the scoot from them.
Anyways, I am seriously considering buying one, but not sure if the commute I plan to make on it is going to be asking too much of it or not. I'll be riding 45-50 miles one way, avoiding highways, highest speed limit on the roads I'd be on are 50.

Does it feel like it will comfortably maintain a speed of 50-55 for a bit?

I'm trying to find an inexpensive/fun way to get from my home in the woods (Enumclaw) to the big city everyday and I have pretty much settled on a scoot.

My only other idea is a Vespa S150, they are quite a bit more expensive, don't have the new 3v engine, but the range of accessories you can get is much larger, and I prefer the look of the S over the Fly. CycleBarn still has a new 2012 S150 that they have discounted, but still more money than the Fly.

Thanks in advance!

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I really liked the Fly 150 and more and more I feel I should have kept it. Speeds from 50 to 55 should not be much of a problem. Much above that it will depend on terrain and weather conditions.

Off the line its a bit slow but once spooled up it moves pretty good. It has a lot of top end and it feels faster between 35 and 50 then it does between 0 and 35.

Fuel economy average was a very respectable 80 MPG. Piaggio's best effort yet.

If going new I would probably recommend the PCX150 and its similarly priced. Also nobody really knows how the new Piaggio's are going to hold up. In theory they should be pretty solid and a lot of people have good luck with them but a lot of horror stories as well. Sounds like you will be putting a lot of miles on it so reliability is a concern.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:32 PM   #134
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Hi there! Thanks for all of the information on the Fly! I'm in Washington as well and looked at the Fly at CycleBarn. They were extremely helpful and very friendly. Wouldn't hesitate to buy the scoot from them.
Anyways, I am seriously considering buying one, but not sure if the commute I plan to make on it is going to be asking too much of it or not. I'll be riding 45-50 miles one way, avoiding highways, highest speed limit on the roads I'd be on are 50.

Does it feel like it will comfortably maintain a speed of 50-55 for a bit?

I'm trying to find an inexpensive/fun way to get from my home in the woods (Enumclaw) to the big city everyday and I have pretty much settled on a scoot.

My only other idea is a Vespa S150, they are quite a bit more expensive, don't have the new 3v engine, but the range of accessories you can get is much larger, and I prefer the look of the S over the Fly. CycleBarn still has a new 2012 S150 that they have discounted, but still more money than the Fly.

Thanks in advance!

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Bradley,

If I was faced with a 100 mile/day commute in a location that gets 175 days of precipitation per year I would be looking for a cheap car. The Fly has 12 inch wheels and zero weather protection. The Fly is a nice little scooter, but I believe you would soon realize you were using the wrong tool for the job.

If you have thought it through and two wheeled transportation is really the way you want to go at least consider something like a used Burgman 400 that will help protect you from the weather and is designed to be comfortable over longer distances. It should be capable of handling heated grips, and it's likely that at least some of the models have ABS, which can be a lifesaver if you are going to be riding in the rain a lot. I'm using the Burgman as an example- there are other maxi type scooters that could serve your purpose.
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i'd spend the extra cash and get the pcx 150.
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