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Old 07-17-2013, 07:53 AM   #16
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That's horrible, but why do people think they can buy a motorcycle if they have NEVER ridden ANYTHING before, and then go ride it across town?

Very sad. If he'd taken an MSF, he might have made it to the casino, then, who know how much longer he'd have lived. RIP dude.

I agree that there seems to be a thought that an HD seems to be a "Safer" choice than other types of motorcycles. Couldn't be farther from the truth. They are all equally dangerous when you have ZERO RIDING SKILL.
Yup,any bike is fast enough to take you out if you have no clue.
Granted Harley's "Lifestyle" does suck people in but it can happen with any bike.
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Old 07-17-2013, 07:58 AM   #17
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Really sporting of you guys to get your jollies from a sad death just 'cause the poor bastard was riding a a Harley.


May you flat 500 miles from any source of compressed air. You are "adventure riders" aren't you?
Having been a paramedic for 15 or so years now this ranks pretty low in the scale of terrible shit I've laughed at.

Not proud of it, but that's just the way it is. Laugh or cry is all you can do sometimes.
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:08 AM   #18
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"...would visit the local Harley Davidson shop every week for the last 38 years, and every week for the last 38 years his wife would put the kibosh on his dream"

^That's the shocking part of the story to me... how do you stay with someone who won't compromise for that long! And, it's not like he mentioned getting a bike once, and she squashed the idea. Getting a bike was a major part of this guy's existence. The fact that it was a Harley is irrelevant to me (even though I don't like HD's). RIP, dude.
Probably because he didn't really want to do it for 38 years either and used his wife as a convenient scapegoat.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:41 AM   #19
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I get to know something about my customers. If they didn't ride in I make damn sure they know how to ride out.

Here in Oregon they at least force you to take the Basic Rider course to get your license.
I've encountered both. When I was just getting into riding, I wanted the bike that had grabbed my attention years before and just would not let go; a Triumph Speed Four. I got conflicting feedback from the few Triumph dealers in the Southeast that had them. When Roswell Triumph was still in business, they had none in stock but assured me it was a great bike to start on but damn the luck they did not have one. A salesman at a dealership in Charlotte had one when I called but was careful to ask qualifying questions, and chief among them was how much saddle time I had. On finding out how little experience I had, the salesman politely but firmly stated that he would consider it irresponsible to sell such a bike to a new rider, and then strongly recommended I spend a couple of years with a more forgiving machine while I developed the basic skills. I thanked him for his time and advice -- which I am very glad I took. He was just very insistent that he wanted live repeat customers instead of dead one-time sales.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:44 AM   #20
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Its been my experience that a lot of folks think riding a motorcycle is just like driving a car. Hey, I know how to drive, give me the keys. What could go wrong?
Its also been my experience that folks will go and buy a bike, the biggest shiniest one they can find, before they even think to take a course or know if they can ride it...without running into something or dropping it multiple times.

I think dealers should be more wary of folks coming in to buy bikes and be more proactive with insisting folks getting proper training, BEFORE they buy. I'm sure some do, but some are there just to take the money. I'm sure a salesman can spot a n00b rider from an experienced rider if you spend any time talking to them.
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Old 07-17-2013, 09:48 AM   #21
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I've encountered both. When I was just getting into riding, I wanted the bike that had grabbed my attention years before and just would not let go; a Triumph Speed Four. I got conflicting feedback from the few Triumph dealers in the Southeast that had them. When Roswell Triumph was still in business, they had none in stock but assured me it was a great bike to start on but damn the luck he did not have one. A salesman at a dealership in Charlotte had one when I called but was careful to ask qualifying questions, and chief among them was how much saddle time I had. On finding out how little experience I had, the salesman politely but firmly stated that he would consider it irresponsible to sell such a bike to a new rider, and then strongly recommend I spend a couple of years with a more forgiving machine while I developed the basic skills. I thanked him for his time and advice -- which I am very glad I took. He was just very insistent that he wanted live repeat customers instead of dead one-time sales.
Now there's a good Motorcycle salesman. Good on him to give sage advice and good on you to take it. Though I'm sure some folks would just say "Screw him, I'll buy from the next dealer."
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:10 AM   #22
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Now there's a good Motorcycle salesman. Good on him to give sage advice and good on you to take it. Though I'm sure some folks would just say "Screw him, I'll buy from the next dealer."
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:14 AM   #23
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... the salesman politely but firmly stated that he would consider it irresponsible to sell such a bike to a new rider, and then strongly recommended I spend a couple of years with a more forgiving machine while I developed the basic skills. I thanked him for his time and advice -- which I am very glad I took. He was just very insistent that he wanted live repeat customers instead of dead one-time sales.

Some people just don't get it. I want every person I sell a bike to to enjoy riding as much as I do.

I go on rides with my customers often. The less skilled ones I am happy to assist with the development of their riding habits to increase the odds of many miles of smiles and future bike sales.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:19 AM   #24
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I worked at a Honda Dealer in the early 80's, we sold a V65 Magna to a guy who then proceeded to drop the bike three times across the street from us. We took the keys from him and told him he was done, we delivered the bike to his house that evening. He became a good customer and did learn how to ride without killing himself; I'll never understand what he was thinking when he purchased the bike.

People would get their endorsement on a scooter then think they new how to ride; common sense is not so common. Sad story too bad he didn't know anyone to talk some sense into him or at least give him good advice. I'm assuming his lack of experince was a contributing factor.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:26 AM   #25
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Back in the early 70's I was a PT salesman at Grand Prix Cycles in Santa Clara. This while attending college.

We sold Pentons, Maico's, CZ's and Kawasaki's. Lotta' moms came in and bought H1's and H2's for junior. Cheaper than a car I guess...

Too often I had to teach junior how to ride in the parking lot. Then I went in and locked myself in the 'head' until I was sure they were gone.

Seems like most of 'em came back in the sling of a wrecker within a month.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:46 AM   #26
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Terrible, it amazes me how many people crash when they first get their motorcycles.

I've been watching the online motorcycle auctions, and it surprises me how many new bikes have less than 500 miles and are wrecked.

Ill never forget the first time I rode a real motorcycle, I was maybe 17 and one of my best friends let me take his brand new Honda 954RR out for a spin (great friend, stupid me), I had never ridden a 2 wheeled machine in my life other than minibikes, etc... I went around our 1 mile private development (no traffic, cars, etc..) and I came back and gave him the keys and quickly realized "this isn't for me".

Funny how things changed a few years later...
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:49 AM   #27
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Let's start with the obvious and necessary would anyone even be able to sell someone a bike without a license?
Honda dealer happily sold me a 700cc Nighthawk S without checking. I had never been on a bike. At least I was smart enough to have them deliver it to my parent's house where I spent the next month riding around in their subdivision getting familiar with it. I also took the MSF course the same month.
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Old 07-17-2013, 10:55 AM   #28
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In NY you only need a learners permit to buy a bike and insure it. Very frightening.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:01 AM   #29
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In NY you only need a learners permit to buy a bike and insure it. Very frightening.
In MI you don't.

Strange but true.
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Old 07-17-2013, 11:01 AM   #30
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This is *no ones* fault but the riders. Not Harley, the dealers, Honda, BMW or anyone else. Time to take responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming others.

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