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Old 07-26-2013, 08:46 AM   #46
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Speed limits too often have jack shit to do with safety.
It is the selective enforcement of traffic laws more so than the speed limits that all too often have nothing to do with safety.

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Old 07-26-2013, 08:47 AM   #47
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Don't try to use logic when figuring out speed limits. Apparently my car with 60-0 stopping distance of 110ft and .99G skid pad rating is unsafe going 60 mph compared to 3 ton dually towing a 30ft fifth wheel traveling at 55mph.
The "logic" is the limits are about the average vehicle and human reaction time, not the extremes of the spectrum.

No matter how good the driver/rider and their vehicle is, the greater the disparity of speed between vehicles, the greater the risk. It makes sense to have limits that the majority of traffic can handle safely.
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Old 07-26-2013, 11:38 AM   #48
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I know that what you're saying seems logical, but it simply isn't the case. Artificially low speed limits are more dangerous than simply setting the speed limit to what most traffic already travels at.
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:00 PM   #49
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What's so special about that? I'm doing speeds of 120...150mph every morning and every afternoon to and from work. With cars in front of, behind and besides me. Nothing unsafe to find there.
Autobahn...yeah. The average American driver is incapable of this.

Though it might be a good way to weed out our system. Raise the national speed limits to "unlimited". Then saty off the road for a few months while the assholes all kill themselves! ;)
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:32 PM   #50
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I know that what you're saying seems logical, but it simply isn't the case. Artificially low speed limits are more dangerous than simply setting the speed limit to what most traffic already travels at.
Really it depends on why the limit is artifically low.

Being low because of the high number of deer that wander on to the road is a lot different than the incessant petitions from a local retirement community, because of noise, causing it to be low.

Here in Washington state, some roads are far below what their physical conditions would allow because they are highly senic.

Low speeds in themselves are not inherently dangerous, its the riders/ drivers who choose to judge for themselves in ignorance that make them dangerous.

High speeds can be safe too, but the road, laws, driving culture, and expectations need to be appropriate for it.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:33 PM   #51
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Low speeds in themselves are not inherently dangerous
One doesn't believe this dangerous missconception if ever experienced a crash due to inatentiveness/sleepiness induced by boringly low speeds.
Being slower than the comfort speed can be as dangerous as being faster than the comfort speed.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:35 PM   #52
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If you absolutely want to get caught for speeding, Interstate highways seemed like the perfect place to do just that in the US.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:42 PM   #53
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I know that what you're saying seems logical, but it simply isn't the case. Artificially low speed limits are more dangerous than simply setting the speed limit to what most traffic already travels at.
Care to explain that? Windmill made the perfect case for why speed limits are what they are.

If the average car can safely do 60mph, then obviously many can do much faster safely, assuming the driver skill level is there, BIG ASSumption. BUT, if you have a speed limit too high for some cars, those cars will inevitably have morons who do not know the limits of their car or skills, and you have a dangerous situation.

Do a little reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limit

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Old 07-26-2013, 02:54 PM   #54
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Windmill made the perfect case for why speed limits are what they are.
It may be an explanation, but it's surely no excuse for irrationally low speed limits (only suited for bad drivers in old cars under bad weather conditions) which force drivers to loose trust in traffic laws at all.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:59 PM   #55
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It may be an explanation, but it's surely no excuse for irrationally low speed limits (only suited for bad drivers in old cars under bad weather conditions) which force drivers to loose trust in traffic laws at all.
Please explain how they are irrational, with facts, not feelings. Links to web sites to support you case would help.

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Old 07-26-2013, 03:04 PM   #56
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Please try to explain how it could be rational to be forced to drive slower than necessary.
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http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/faq

Read and weep. Living in Alexandria you should know firsthand traffic in Maryland regularly does 80mph on 495. Once they get to VA where the police have nothing better to do but enforce speed limits they all slow down to 63.5mph. Same road, same speed limit.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:18 PM   #58
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Please try to explain how it could be rational to be forced to drive slower than necessary.
Sorry, I and Windmill have already explained, with a link, the rational for it. YOU keep saying it isn't rational, but can't explain why. The onus is on you!

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Old 07-26-2013, 03:21 PM   #59
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http://www.motorists.org/speed-limits/faq

Read and weep. Living in Alexandria you should know firsthand traffic in Maryland regularly does 80mph on 495. Once they get to VA where the police have nothing better to do but enforce speed limits they all slow down to 63.5mph. Same road, same speed limit.
Yeah, and in MD I have gotten two camera speed trap awards in a month, last month. You should also recognize that VA has much higher traffic volume than MD. Speeds in either state are what they are. I find myself doing 80 in VA as often as in MD, though no more since the unmarked speed cameras in MD are popping up everywhere. Talk about revenue generators with no value but to pull in funds for the state!

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PS That link is about as unbiased as the AMA on helmets. Post one with scientific backing.
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Old 07-26-2013, 03:34 PM   #60
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Sorry, I and Windmill have already explained, with a link, the rational for it.
No, you only said there should be a limit so everyone goes the same speed. But even if that was a good thing, this explanation would not be an excuse for the way too low limits. Your explanation would work with a random limit, or better with a posted minimum speed everyone has to drive at least.
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