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Old 07-29-2013, 01:16 PM   #61
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Bill really hit the nail on the head with statement of, riding being a "calling" it is exactly that, at least, to some of us. How else can you explain the pleasure one still gets on every ride, even after 50 years, religion of sort that is. I reckon people just don't take riding seriously enough, how hard can it be, its only a large bicycle. Some people shouldn't get on a motorcycle , no matter how many training courses they went on, its as simple as that.
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Old 07-29-2013, 02:04 PM   #62
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Some people shouldn't get on a motorcycle , no matter how many training courses they went on, its as simple as that.
This is soooooo true! If a lot of people actually had realized this fact themselves they would be alive today.
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Old 08-01-2013, 02:41 PM   #63
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Seeing how the majority of the Boomer set rides and dresses for the ride around here I'm shocked there aren't more dying in MN and western WI. Seems like the normal headwear is the DOT/SNELL approved headband or dew-rag.
Living in Wisconsin I can attest to that. It just puzzles me, when I see riders/couples, on their big whatever (mostly cruisers), dressed in polos, shorts and Crocs, riding to a local Friday fish fry like nothing could ever happen to them. Often, these are people who have survived a better portion of what life has thrown at them. And they think riding down the road has no hazards at all? I'm surprised the numbers aren't MUCH higher.

Plus, I'd bet good money that VERY few of them have had any training, or even fewer EVER practice any riding skills. Bet most feel the meager skills that got them through their ten mile "ride" is all they need. Gear and training alone only help to reduce the crash results. Its attitude and ability that avoid the crash to begin with.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:57 PM   #64
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We're getting a bit off-topic here.

That said, I regard riding as a continuing educational experience. I bought my first serious motorcycle in 1964, a 350 Horex single. I learned the old way, you got out on the road, not the best way, but that's all there was at the time. I survived without a serious incident, mostly a little rash now and then. Always wore a helmet.

I was well coordinated from the start, and had little trouble with the basics. I think that the biggest challenge is learning to deal with urban traffic, and of course, MSF doesn't really address that. The only way is to ride, observe, and use that knowledge you acquire to be better the next time. I call it "street savvy". And I've never stopped learning. The one big mistake that novices make is to ride the same way they drive a car. That is a big mistake. Traffic riding demands 100% attention and using experiences to learn to improve one's skills.

Unfortunately, those who spend their time on Sunday riding slowly on country roads in packs of 50 or more will never learn the skills they need to survive in modern traffic or to not run off the outside of corners. If you have people who illegally block intersections, you'll never have to worry about anyone but yourself and those in the procession who are all going in the same direction at the same speed. You're living in a dream world, and clogging up the roads while doing so. And you're not REAL motorcyclists. You're wannabees and posers. Go buy something you can handle. Like a golf cart.
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Old 08-03-2013, 02:42 AM   #65
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I was well coordinated from the start, and had little trouble with the basics. I think that the biggest challenge is learning to deal with urban traffic, and of course, MSF doesn't really address that. The only way is to ride, observe, and use that knowledge you acquire to be better the next time. I call it "street savvy". And I've never stopped learning. The one big mistake that novices make is to ride the same way they drive a car. That is a big mistake. Traffic riding demands 100% attention and using experiences to learn to improve one's skills.
Whille the MSF courses don't teach you to ride in traffic, I feel that they can help you learn to think about how a bike will handle in the real world. Having a coach stand there and explain how you blew the emergency stop and reminding you that if you had been on the road you would have buried your gas tank in a car's rear bumper should be something that makes you think when shopping for your bike. People don't realize or think about those things when shopping for a new SUV, a 3 ton Expedition doesn't handle too differently than a a Fiat at a stop but there is a world of difference stopping a 250 and a Goldwing if you're trying to do it in a hurry.
Also I personally thought a lot about wieght and low speed handling when I sat on a bike while I was shopping. Thinking about power walking and trying to do the box with some of the bikes I sat on definitely made me more conscious of my skills compared to a potential bike.

So no the MSF won't teach how to handle LA rush hour traffic, but it can help you realize what kind of wheels you want to slog though said traffic.

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