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Old 07-24-2013, 09:28 PM   #16
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A heat gun can gain you a little, there are some RFS tanks that sit mostly on top of the frame. That is supposed to be a really sweet little engine, curious what it weighs. It doesn't seem likely to weigh less than a big single but they are smooth. I have a poked & stroked KTM450XC that is 600cc's & the Ninja Mutant. Very simular HP, delivered totally different. The twin is so sweet, quiet, relaxed & you don't feel like your beating it to death. The KTM has been balanced & it is smooth for a thumper but like all RFS motors it sounds like two skeletons making whoopie in a trash can & you can't help but feel you are wearing it out.
The KTM wins hands down for fast rough riding, but the twin is so much nicer cruising.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:44 AM   #17
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Sounds like a really interesting project.

Will be fun to see how it turns out

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Old 07-25-2013, 05:52 AM   #18
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Project 300 Versys is underway

about time ya got back in the game, it's been about 5 years!
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Old 07-25-2013, 07:20 AM   #19
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about time ya got back in the game, it's been about 5 years!
Hey JD

I would love to hear your ideas
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:10 AM   #20
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it sounds like two skeletons making whoopie in a trash can
4play, I hope you don't mind but I love this quote so much I'm gonna have to add it to my sig line!!! LMAO!

tonymorr, I see you are a Husaberg fan too! In looking at your bike stable, I think you should just give me the 300 motor and I'll build something with it, you have enough bikes already!

Given your stable of bikes, if I were in your shoes, I'd build a super light scrambler, but with racks for adventure riding. Super simple and naked. You could use long legs off of a KTM or such dirt bike, but it doesn't sound like you are after that kind of bike. I'd pick up an old enduro bike or even small street bike so you have a title that can be licensed and just put money into the suspension it has. You can get nice dual shocks these days and add cartridge emulators and proper springs to the forks. You can get great performance on the street and better than most dual sports on the dirt! Plus the bike won't be 12 feet tall....

Just my 2 cents, I'm excited to see what you do. Hopefully I won't be that far behind you in a build of my own with that engine

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Old 07-25-2013, 10:06 AM   #21
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4play, I hope you don't mind but I love this quote so much I'm gonna have to add it to my sig line!!! LMAO!

tonymorr, I see you are a Husaberg fan too! In looking at your bike stable, I think you should just give me the 300 motor and I'll build something with it, you have enough bikes already!

Given your stable of bikes, if I were in your shoes, I'd build a super light scrambler, but with racks for adventure riding. Super simple and naked. You could use long legs off of a KTM or such dirt bike, but it doesn't sound like you are after that kind of bike. I'd pick up an old enduro bike or even small street bike so you have a title that can be licensed and just put money into the suspension it has. You can get nice dual shocks these days and add cartridge emulators and proper springs to the forks. You can get great performance on the street and better than most dual sports on the dirt! Plus the bike won't be 12 feet tall....

Just my 2 cents, I'm excited to see what you do. Hopefully I won't be that far behind you in a build of my own with that engine

Have fun with whatever you do, otherwise why do it??
Enough bikes?

A Scrambler/Brat would be kinda cool. Hmmmmm the possibilities are endless!
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:36 AM   #22
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Enough bikes?

A Scrambler/Brat would be kinda cool. Hmmmmm the possibilities are endless!
I was hoping for a little more clarification on your definition of "adventure bike" since for different people it can mean different things. Some lean more to the off-road side of things, and others are more street oriented with nothing more than gravel roads as their off-road requirements. I've run the gamut on that one myself. Nowadays I tend to think that a brat/scrambler would be more to my liking since I usually ride alone and safety concerns kinda make me not enjoy doing anything too serious in my "adventure" riding. I just don't think that I need long travel suspension and a mile high seat to do what I'll do in the real world. Besides, being somewhat limited by my equipment just may keep me out of trouble.

I think this engine could make a nice modern version of the "enduro" bikes of the earlier days before they evolved into the more modern and focused bikes we have today. I'd probably use those, along with the various scrambler and brat bike builds, as a basis for my inspiration. Then throw in some more modern adventure stuff like luggage, and some decent suspension (even if not supper long travel), maybe some weather protection, a good seat, some guards to protect the vitals, and some features like power ports, electric grips, hand guards, etc.

Something that harkens back to the day of light, multi-purpose bikes that went anywhere, and before the day of specialization.

Sounds like fun to me.
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Old 07-25-2013, 12:14 PM   #23
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I think this engine could make a nice modern version of the "enduro" bikes of the earlier days before they evolved into the more modern and focused bikes we have today. I'd probably use those, along with the various scrambler and brat bike builds, as a basis for my inspiration. Then throw in some more modern adventure stuff like luggage, and some decent suspension (even if not supper long travel), maybe some weather protection, a good seat, some guards to protect the vitals, and some features like power ports, electric grips, hand guards, etc.

Something that harkens back to the day of light, multi-purpose bikes that went anywhere, and before the day of specialization.

Sounds like fun to me.
I like the sound of that. Something like the Suzuki Big Boy? (but with good suspension) It's a version of the TU250 that is available elsewhere.

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Old 07-25-2013, 12:46 PM   #24
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:15 PM   #25
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The net is full of scrambler builds that I find useful for inspiration.

Not necessarily this exactly, but I do like the basic form of things such as this:



With fabrication of the right parts, and the modification of others, such as wheels and suspension, I would think that a lot of donors, combined with your engine, could make a nice. light weight version of something of the type.

Of course this is just the direction my own mind has been going for a while now...
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:52 PM   #26
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Maybe not so far off. Worth taking a harder look.



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Old 07-25-2013, 06:58 PM   #27
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Take a look at the KTM/ CR500 threads for good frame info. IIRC the guy to talk to is "jar44" or username close to that. He did a few RFS engine swaps into newer frames too. Don't fear the older frames either, they weren't terrible from back in 1998 even. They have about zero value too. Like I mentioned, I recently threw one away.
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Old 07-26-2013, 09:30 AM   #28
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Another idea?

Hi Folks.

Looks like a fun build. I am subscribed. I was just looking at an auction site (ridesafely.com) and there are a few of the new CBR250's for sale. I am guessing a lot of new riders are buying these and crashing them.

Wondering if this engine would also work in a light ADV bike? Just a thought.

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Old 07-26-2013, 10:08 AM   #29
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Hi Folks.

Looks like a fun build. I am subscribed. I was just looking at an auction site (ridesafely.com) and there are a few of the new CBR250's for sale. I am guessing a lot of new riders are buying these and crashing them.

Wondering if this engine would also work in a light ADV bike? Just a thought.

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The CBR250 engine is a HUGE let down. The WR250R engine is WAY better especially with a big bore kit. I already have one of them and it is a great light ADV bike.
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Hi Folks.

Looks like a fun build. I am subscribed. I was just looking at an auction site (ridesafely.com) and there are a few of the new CBR250's for sale. I am guessing a lot of new riders are buying these and crashing them.

Wondering if this engine would also work in a light ADV bike? Just a thought.

Cheers

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I have no direct experience with either engine, but everything I've read indicates pretty much what tonymorr just said.

But, the 300R hasn't been out very long compared to the Honda. Wait a while and I'm sure there'll be plenty of those available for the same reason.
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