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Old 08-04-2013, 03:50 PM   #76
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Lots of great Ideas and the same Engine configuration for 80 years. The S1000RR is the only significantly new bike they have developed since 1923.
How about the bricks? The F parallel twins? The singles?

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Old 08-04-2013, 06:12 PM   #77
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Old 08-04-2013, 06:34 PM   #78
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Astro 360 was significant for me. Didn't own it. Rode it once. That's when I knew I'd never be good enough. That happened with a few other bikes. Its a good thing to know when you'll not be the hero, to know ones limits. Another was the TS or TM- I forget the letters, Suzuki 400 "Cyclone (at least they had that part of the name right). But that was just significantly bad and out of my league. I suppose with my skill level I never should have opened up any MX or dirt track bike beyond a Combat Wombat.
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Old 08-04-2013, 06:50 PM   #79
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Why? All of these bikes are quintessential learning bikes, used by either Rider's Edge, or MSF. I know I'm missing some.
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Old 08-04-2013, 07:05 PM   #80
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I've given this a lot of thought!

#1 ------- CACK!

Immeasurable Significance!

Somehow, the "Other Eleven" don't even matter.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:13 PM   #81
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How could I have forgotten the Pursang?!!! The Astro too!

If you lived in the Bay Area during their era, Pursangs and Astro's owned. There was a little shop in Palo Alto that fielded them. I'll think of the name and post it when I do.
I lived in the Bay Area, Mill Valley, for a couple years. 'Patty Hurst era', but rode a Norton and an Ossa at that time. IIRC the Astro dominated short track racing and was one bad ass bike.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:20 PM   #82
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Astro: TT motors in Berkeley had them and raced them too. I rode one along a stretch of rail track that had been pulled up and graded over......nuts! An Astro 360 would be the ultimate street moto (once you added a front brake).
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Old 08-05-2013, 12:29 AM   #83
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Old 08-05-2013, 10:30 AM   #84
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How about the bricks? The F parallel twins? The singles?

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New or significant^ None of those qualify!! Really, you think a PT or a S is anything to talk about? C'mon fellas they are not new, they just make them well through repetition and minor changes that can be controlled. Just like the Harley, Business plan, if works and sells then don't upset the Apple Cart with any radical departure from the norm.
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Old 08-05-2013, 06:35 PM   #85
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New or significant^ None of those qualify!! Really, you think a PT or a S is anything to talk about? C'mon fellas they are not new, they just make them well through repetition and minor changes that can be controlled. Just like the Harley, Business plan, if works and sells then don't upset the Apple Cart with any radical departure from the norm.
I've got a k12s and I've owned bricks.

totally different.

the bricks were made to phase out the boxers.

like Porsche 928 to replace the 911

had a 928 for many years, loved that car.

Harley's done very well with those minor changes.

I think Honda's campaign you meet the nicest people etc.

changed the profile of motorcycles significantly.

so mention I reckon.
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Old 08-05-2013, 08:29 PM   #86
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New or significant^ None of those qualify!! Really, you think a PT or a S is anything to talk about? C'mon fellas they are not new, they just make them well through repetition and minor changes that can be controlled. Just like the Harley, Business plan, if works and sells then don't upset the Apple Cart with any radical departure from the norm.
New or significant are judgment words and subject to interpretation. I was just refuting your assertion that BMW hasn't produced a new basic engine design since the 1920's boxer which simply isn't true. They've produced a lot of different new designs - they may not meet the bar of being "significant" or make a 12-best list, but they're definitely brand-new/clean-sheet designs and the brick motors where pioneering. They didn't work out to have staying power beyond a decade or so, but they were certainly different and not "recycled" designs.

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Old 08-05-2013, 09:08 PM   #87
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The original proof of concept for two-stroke-beating-four-stroke was the 1977 Yamaha HL 500.

Jan, you might enjoy this and then what you speak of.

http://huskyrestoration.com/?page_id=2602
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Old 08-07-2013, 10:21 AM   #88
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Jan, you might enjoy this and then what you speak of.

http://huskyrestoration.com/?page_id=2602
I read that before posting. And yes I enjoyed it. Lots of details I didn't know. I also saw the 1997 Dirt Bike article when it was new.
I still stick with my opinion. The YZM may have started the revolution, but the HL was the original rebel.
Did you notice how many HL500 replicas there were for sale and sold on your link?
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:23 AM   #89
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I've never seen an HL500, but I do remember modded Yamaha thumpers back in the day, mostly in magazines. That is a sweet looking bike! I also remember seeing an exotic CCM at the Dallas Supercross in 1977. I loved hearing that thing over all the two-strokes.

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Old 08-07-2013, 11:32 AM   #90
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In the 1980 USGP at Carlsbad , Danny Chandler ran the only-stroke in the open class. Always wondered what it was. I thought it was a Honda though. Was the HL motor a one off or is it a modified TT500 motor?
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