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Old 08-07-2013, 09:01 AM   #16
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Old 08-07-2013, 09:56 AM   #17
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Buy a new one in any color, bring it over one weekend, and I'll show you how to hook it up...

P.S., Ural hasn't made a military bike in 50-60 years!
And the real ones would've never been painted in small camo pattern.


You could always buy a Zundapp KS-750 or BMW R-75, they have them.
Why stop with five?!?!?
Go ahead and make it a six-speed because most everyone else wants a five speed with a better top gear for riding them on the highways like they were never designed to do.
It shouldn't cost much to add a granny-lo and an overdrive gear and still keep reverse.

I was only interested in seeing the possibility of a lower first gear. I don't own one, but before I ever did I'd like to see a lower first to avoid burning clutches - which I hear they do one long off-road pilgrimages. Then again, perhaps I am misinformed.
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Old 08-07-2013, 11:49 AM   #18
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The clutch has been upgraded to one built by Sachs. Still not a rock crawler, but will withstand far more abuse.
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Old 08-07-2013, 01:04 PM   #19
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Crap. I just said somewhere that if they offered financing I would get one. tears of joy. Maybe they will offer 0% promotions

I love the disk brake upgrade. Any reason to shy away from the EFI on this? Maybe wait a year and hope any hiccups are resolved?

I like carbs and I like EFI. Both have pros and cons.
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Old 08-07-2013, 04:43 PM   #20
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Stop the madness!!!

I understand that there's some EPA and DOT regs that Ural has to meet to sell in the USA and similarly abroad, but if you want a bike with all that crap on it, go buy a BMW or something.
Well, you stopped the madness... you are demanding Ural build a bike that can't be ridden on the road. Good call!
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:31 PM   #21
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Well, you stopped the madness... you are demanding Ural build a bike that can't be ridden on the road. Good call!
Maybe it must be ridden off road Just kidding

In all seriousness, I can't wait for the 2014. I'll ride down to Heindl Eng. to look at them Wonder what the color schemes are going to be (apparently not camo). I liked the special addition OD green one (Taija?) and the tan one (Sahara). Those should be standard color options IMO.
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:36 PM   #22
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Stop the madness!!!

Urals and Dneprs usta be a cheap, cool hobby until all these interlopers started crying for Honda reliabilty.
Before the new 750cc engine came out about 10 years ago, an brand new 650cc Ural engine was $450 and a gearbox $250! Even at that time you coundn't buy a set of HD chrome pipes for that! I don't know the actual price, but I'd bet a new 750cc engine and gearbox will now set you back $3K-$4K!!! Hell, the flippin' alternator on a Ural now cost $650!!!

Now, thanks to noobs wanting EFI, disk brakes, jet propulsion and flux capacitors the average guy who could turn a wrench has been priced out of a cool hobby. Thanks for making the Ural into something it's not.
Ustabe, if you broke something on your Ural or Dnepr YOU replaced it dirt cheap and moved along until the next break down. Not so anymore; tow it to a dealership hundreds of miles away.

I understand that there's some EPA and DOT regs that Ural has to meet to sell in the USA and similarly abroad, but if you want a bike with all that crap on it, go buy a BMW or something.
You have put in words my very feelings. My M66 is slowly becoming as pricy as my R50/2 to fix.
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Old 08-07-2013, 06:49 PM   #23
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FI on a roller type bearing motor is a bit like turbocharging a push mower; well, that's my vodka induced opinion.
. With Ural's quality control, making the bike more complex (add at least $1,500 to the base price...) should work well. Remember, FI means a fuel pump and a 'black box', sensors, etc... Oh, no kick starting a bike with a weak battery (you need enough to spool up the fuel pump). All for what? To eliminate the choke? With tranny issues and FD issues already, they aren't going to make any power bump....
Disk all around? "Stopping" a Ural has never been a big issue...making it "go" however....
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:04 PM   #24
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FI means a fuel pump and a 'black box', sensors, etc... Oh, no kick starting a bike with a weak battery (you need enough to spool up the fuel pump). All for what? To eliminate the choke? With tranny issues and FD issues already, they aren't going to make any power bump....
Disk all around? "Stopping" a Ural has never been a big issue...making it "go" however....
FI probably isn't an attempt to increase power. It just makes it much easier to meet emissions standards. It should also improve fuel economy.

If you honestly don't think stopping a Ural is an issue I'm going to stop taking your posts at face value.

I don't own a Ural, but I've driven 2. One of them quite a bit. Both owners advised me to "plan your stops" and they were right. The discs will be a big improvement, and FI is a necessary evil.
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:24 PM   #25
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Yes, the stopping part is a joke. A lot of them don't need any brakes at all.

Emission standards are brutal world wide. Yes, FI is much easier to maintain consistent emissions. At some point, people will balk at paying the premium for a substandard bike. But....Harley has sold millions with under engineered bikes and over hyped "lifestyle"....
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Old 08-07-2013, 07:34 PM   #26
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The fun to be had on these rigs when they happen to be working is amazing. I had a lot of issues with my 2010, sold it. It's like a bipolar bike. When it's up, it's way up, when its down, it's way depressing. I have a new vstrom that will probably never give me any issues, but its also never fun, so it will be gone soon.
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Old 08-08-2013, 12:22 AM   #27
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I have a new vstrom that will probably never give me any issues, but its also never fun, so it will be gone soon.


I agree. The issues with Urals lie mainly in the FD. I could easily lock all the tires on mine at any time, and she started on the first kick every time in any temp. The fact that price was mentioned multiple times in that broadcast gives me the heeby jeebies.
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Old 08-10-2013, 03:12 AM   #28
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A see a lot of parallels with what Royal Enfield has been doing in the past few years. They did some great design upgrades but they also increased the price beyond what most people were willing to pay.

I've owned a 2004 Ural - thought it was great, no problems. Ural has been increasing prices on their bikes over time and the market segment who can afford them is shrinking. Again, the upgrades they are doing are great, the price increase is not.

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Old 08-10-2013, 04:56 AM   #29
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the price increase is not.
Are they supposed to do it for free?

How many years do you think it's going to take for Ural to get back what they have put into r&d for these new rigs?
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Old 08-10-2013, 05:43 AM   #30
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How many years do you think it's going to take for Ural to get back what they have put into r&d for these new rigs?[/QUOTE]



Very true, but it's just the nature of business.
The price is getting to the point, though, that a lot of people will shy away. Getting close to $20,000 for a new Ural-ouch! Most people that would spend that much really don't want to "sort things out". Yes, the quality is way better, but the lower price has been the Ural's saving grace thus far for people wanting to try a sidecar. It will be interesting to see how their sales are in the coming years.

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