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Old 08-15-2013, 07:27 PM   #16
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The OP has long been chased away.
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:27 AM   #17
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The OP has long been chased away.
Well duh, too many "low post count trolls" mucking up my pearls. ;-) (If someone could explain the relationship of post count to credibility/experience, please do so.)

A TT on the front Kayak? Wow, haven't tried that since my first bike, a '72 yamadog. My front Vulcan Enduro-35 will usually last 2-3 rears, easy. But I don't use the front brake on the street, cuz that will slope the knobs right away, so I guess it is a good idea if you plan to use the front brake on pavement. :-)
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Old 08-16-2013, 04:35 PM   #18
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The OP has long been chased away.
Dang, I was just getting ready to answer him.
You guys still left in here don't care.

OK, I can't help myself. Don't run a trials tyre (we are spelling it that way in NM now) unless you have the means to run it at low pressure. Tubliss is the way to go to avoid pinch flats. If you run them at anything over 12 psi, you are certainly not getting the benefit and should just run a knobby (NM spelling).
I run mine on my KTM at < 8 psi even in rocks w/tubliss and have never pinched one and the traction is killer.

If you have to do some road riding, just air it up a bit.
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Old 08-16-2013, 05:11 PM   #19
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I meant to answer yesterday but forgot.

If you read Dirt Bike at all, they are big fans of putting trials tires(that's right;tIRes") on thier dual sport bikes. They say they find traction where there isn't any. Well duh!
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:15 PM   #20
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I suppose I can reply to this too, since I've run a trials tire on the back of my dirt bikes off and on for over 6 years now. I've even raced a few enduros with a trials tire.

I love a trials tire in the rocks. Every year for the last six, I've had a trials tire on the back for our annual weekly trip to the CO high country. Works fantastic out there and every year, we see more and more bikes with trials tires.

I run a trials tire exclusively on my personal trails. They are 1st and 2nd gear tight, lots of logs, roots and rocks. I think the trials tire doesn't tear up the trail as bad and hooks up great in slower conditions like mine.

The good...great traction, plush ride, I run them until the knobs start ripping off and they still work great.

The bad...suck in the mud (just like a trials bike), flexxy on the road at speed, expensive depending upon tire and I don't think they work as well in fast conditions with lots of brake sliding and big horsepower dirt bikes. You have to a little gentler on the throttle (which is easy for someone with a trials background)

Tire preferences...Pirelli MT is the best for on road. DOT rated and not as flexxy on the road. Also wears the best. And gets pretty good traction offroad. Cheapest?

Michelin gets the best traction, wears fast and is squirmy on the road. Not DOT rated. Most expensive.

Dunlop somewhere in the middle with the same characteristics as the Michelin. Priced in the middle too.

So if I happen to have a slightly worn Dunlop off my trials bike laying around, I'll use it up on my dirt bike. If I'm buying a new trials tire for the dirt bike, it's a Pirelli.
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:22 PM   #21
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With 31,508 posts, I'm guessing he forgot he even posted here five minutes after he did it.
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:33 PM   #22
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Dunlop somewhere in the middle with the same characteristics as the Michelin. Priced in the middle too.

So if I happen to have a slightly worn Dunlop off my trials bike laying around, I'll use it up on my dirt bike. If I'm buying a new trials tire for the dirt bike, it's a Pirelli.
I like the Dunlop the best, I have a Pirelli on mine right now and it is not as flexy and for knar, I'm taking it off and going back to the Dunlop.

With the tubliss system, it is a bitch to get a used tire to seal, so I have to mount new tires on the KTM. Oh well, they last forever.
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Old 08-16-2013, 08:46 PM   #23
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I have torn up 4 X-11s on my 450 over the years. Knobs separate at the base. Just air down the MT-43 2psi more than the X-11 and it's close enough and lasts twice as long. Ultra Heavy Duty tubes - never a single flat. Last high country ride on sharp volcanic rock my partner had 2 front flats and we ran across 2 other parties working on flats.
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:23 PM   #24
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Tubliss is much better than ultra heavy tubes IMO. You can theoretically run them down to zero pressure, (like a trials bike) but obviously we don't do that because of the sidewalls. The system is also much lighter than an ultra tube.
They also act like a nice "first suspension" and soften up the trail trash to give a more plush ride in the garbage.

Lots of guys love em, and lots hate em. I am in the first camp for now.

With all that being said about the tubliss system, I would run ultras in places like Baja where you need stone solid reliability and can always fix them on the trail.
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Old 08-16-2013, 09:58 PM   #25
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I have buddies that run Tubliss. No matter how many times I have head about them I can't visualize how they work or how much harder it would be to mount the tires. Do they seal the spokes and bead turning the tire into a tubeless setup? Hole in the tire would equal a flat?

UHDs are heavy and expensive.. I sheared the valve stem off one once with 2 rim locks.. luck it never went flat till I got home.
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Old 08-17-2013, 12:30 AM   #26
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I am also considering running a trials tyre on my adventure bike, but for different reason than SniperX.

Front tyre on Honda Dominator (650) is worn out, and I have Pirelli 43s front and back on my trials bike, but have found them to be not as compliant as others' I observe. So, opportunity to upgrade TBs rubber, and utilize stiff-walled trials tyre on adventure bike. I figure tread pattern will be almost as useful on this machine and as fair a trade-off as the road/off-road tyres marketed for these bikes. As they are DOT rated in the States I think they are going to be safe at road pressures and speeds.

Any others experience of this would be welcomed.
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Old 08-17-2013, 09:39 PM   #27
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I am also considering running a trials tyre on my adventure bike, but for different reason than SniperX.

Front tyre on Honda Dominator (650) is worn out, and I have Pirelli 43s front and back on my trials bike, but have found them to be not as compliant as others' I observe. So, opportunity to upgrade TBs rubber, and utilize stiff-walled trials tyre on adventure bike. I figure tread pattern will be almost as useful on this machine and as fair a trade-off as the road/off-road tyres marketed for these bikes. As they are DOT rated in the States I think they are going to be safe at road pressures and speeds.

Any others experience of this would be welcomed.
I would be concerned about the weight of the Dominator on the MT43 rear specially at freeway speed. I have never hear of running one on a 650 class bike. It's a fairly narrow rear tire too. Guess if your rear wheel is not too wide for the tire to fit right and you keep the pressure right.... give it a try.

I have read discussions on running a MT43 on a KTM950 and the consensus was -- bad idea.
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Old 08-17-2013, 11:03 PM   #28
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Front Tyre, I said front tyre.

I know under braking, most weight is on the front, but they appear to be pretty stiff.
I agree the rear would be too narrow, and anyway Dommie runs 130x90 by 17inch (trials tyre 18inch).
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Old 08-19-2013, 12:51 PM   #29
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I have buddies that run Tubliss. No matter how many times I have head about them I can't visualize how they work or how much harder it would be to mount the tires. Do they seal the spokes and bead turning the tire into a tubeless setup? Hole in the tire would equal a flat?
I've been running them for about three years now, have them on three of my bikes. Changing tires is super easy, zero chance of pinching tube. But like was said, may not get a seal if tire was used with a rimlock before (in the instructions). Yes, hole in the tire equals flat, plug in the hole equals away you go in a couple minutes without dismounting tire.

Come on everybody, lets keep this going until we have all the info that other MT-43 threads have and/or until the OP comes back! :-)

(I'm thinking he intentionally started this for fun. NO WAY can you have that much time/posts here and not be aware of all above.)
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:04 AM   #30
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Nope, just forgot where the hell I posted this! You guys who had the terse answers can't rile me up. I am far above that. Thanks for the good comments from those of you that responded. Btw when I build the trials course on my newly aquired 80 acres of land in the East Mountains outside Albuquerque, SOME of you bastards are hereby UNinvited!
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