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Old 08-22-2013, 08:37 AM   #16
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Hey.... I like this guy's style..... and he writes good, too!!

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Old 08-22-2013, 11:32 AM   #17
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He writes WELL...
Excellent work so far. No detail is too small, or too big.
I highly recommend you spend some time on the MG Cycle website. Learn the parts #'s and then call Rick/Gordon.
They DO know their shit. They have the socket holders, but I like your solution as well.
The biggest source of frustration on my project was sourcing the various seals, orings, gaskets etc.,...
You need them all and MG can talk you through what those parts will be for your bike. Wheels, engine, tranny and so forth.
It'll be a big help to have that box nearby when reassembly time comes around.

The wheel bearings are essentially indestructible, if there not rusted they should be fine...
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:09 PM   #18
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Old 08-22-2013, 01:11 PM   #19
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Very cool project - Im looking forward to updates ! :
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:05 PM   #20
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Funny, as I thought he wrote Well Good, innit!
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:40 PM   #21
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:01 AM   #22
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MG Cycle has the socket tubes? Dang! I could not find them. I suppose I should have just called. Oh well, I had fun on my solution and probably saved money.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:19 AM   #23
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With the dash up and running, it was on to the next big question mark: the wheels.

I knew the bearings were nicely gummed as I couldn't get them to budge with my hand. They turned fine on the bike, but I was sure it was going to be unsavory in there. The biggest concern for me was the spokes and nipples being seized in place. I spent a few weeks bathing the SOB in PB Blaster and eventually got the nerve to start the tear down.

The blaster did it's job, but there were a few that really didn't want to come out. Much careful tapping lands me here:

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The spokes and nipples were crusty and in need of help. For the initial clean, I brought them into the bike shop with me and let them sit in the parts washer for a few hours. It cleaned them up nicely, but the nips especially were still fairly nasty. I decided to give them an overnight stay in some citric acid, the old handloaders trick for cleaning up spent casings.

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I actually really liked the bronze/copper look it gave them, but what the hell. I'm probably only going to rebuild the wheels once, so I decided to polish them. Before and after the denim wheel:

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Not bad!

From here I pulled the bearings and seals. As expected, the grease in there had set up like old elmer's glue. I cleaned up as much as I could by hand and the parts washer took care of the rest.

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(note: these are the headset bearings, but they all looked about the same after they came out. Shiny and ready for another 40 years of service)

The bearings look fine to me, so they'll be going right back in with new grease and some fresh seals from MC Cycle. That'll do pig, that'll do.
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Old 08-23-2013, 09:45 AM   #24
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It was time to turn my attention to the forks, shocks, and rear drive. They were all that remained between me and and a trip to the powder coater. I was getting excited to see some final finish, so the intensity of my efforts increased notably. Luckily for me, my work slowed down a bit around this time, so the garage awaited.

Forks up first. Initially, I called the local Guzzi shop to see if they had the fork collar removal tool and would be willing to spin them off for me. Perhaps they're not familiar with the old bikes, but they offered to charge me more than the tool itself would cost. Considering how easy and fast it is, I assumed they either didn't know their shit or didn't want to deal with it. I'll hope for the second.

A trip to the big orange gentleman's mall resulted in a 6" length of 2 1/2" iron pipe that was to be my homebrew fork collar tool. A perfect fit over the stanchion. Now it just took some careful measuring and some expeditious use of the dremel.

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Perfect! Well, not so much. Since the collar is too damn deep to really get decent measurements out of, I was guessing at the tab size. I purposely overestimated and slowly shaved them down until it dropped into the fork collar. A perfect fit...and only $4.

Off come the collars and the lowers:

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Before and after clean up. Again, the grease had cemented into a nice solid paste over the last few decades.

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Much better! I spent an hour or two cleaning up the stanchion tubes, lowers and assorted hardware before I called it done. It was ugly in there, but all the parts seemed to be in great shape and doing their intended job. New seals, oil, and grease should be all it needs.

The shocks were up next and proved to be the first real disappointment. The springs and preload rings came off without trouble, but I could NOT get the damper assembly loose from the can. The pin spanner just bit into the soft aluminum to the point that I was worried about damaging them permanently. Well, F it. Rattle can time.

Springs come off:

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Paint goes on:

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The damper feels like it's functioning fine, but I still would like to have been able to refresh the oil. If it becomes an issue, I'll probably just have to replace the shocks down the line. For now, they live to fight another day.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:12 AM   #25
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I'd read the rear drive sections of thisoldtractor and was expecting the worst. Words can't express how much I'd love to NOT be one the idiots they mention as having ruined their rear drive by force of sheer ignorance or stupidity. Catch me on the right day and I have both of those in spades.

Well, nothing for it but rolling up the sleeves and digging in.




Initial hand inspection yielded no noticeable play between pinion and the drive spline, so my hope was to avoid a full bevel box rebuild. The pinion carrier came out easily enough and the teeth, although worn a bit, are not chewed. I pulled the rest of the box apart and found the crownwheel in decent condition as well. Everything spins freely, I feel no bearing roughness or drag...I think I'm good to go. New seals and gaskets and I'll sleep fine knowing I'm not one of the dreaded idiots. One thing I thought was funny: whoever rebuilt the box last used silicon caulk in lieu of fresh gaskets. Maybe nobody was sourcing new gaskets back then? Or maybe they just liked the idea of it. Either way, it was holding oil like a champ. It took a long time to get it all out of there!

The plan is blackout wheels, so the rear drive shell still needs to come all the way down. This little bearing race has me confused until I emailed Greg Bender:




He told me about his roaster oven solution. Heat up the shell and the race drops right out. Sounds too easy to be true. Roaster ovens aren't free (and I really don't want a roaster oven) so I decided on the grill to avoid stinking up the house. I cleaned up the shell really well to avoid oil burn, then made a little foil tray to keep the grill from getting spoiled. To my amazement, the race dropped out after about five minutes in the 400 degree heat. Gotta love physics!




With the rear drive handled, I was finally ready for powder. Almost ready for powder, that is. The engine was still sitting pretty in the frame. John stopped by to lend a hand and it was sitting on the work bench within minutes. A night of hard drinking ensued, but that's a story for another time.



(git yer hands offn' my sweet Italian woman's underthings!)


Here's what's going to powder, plus the frame of course:

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Back in black...and lookin' good.




A few of the aluminum parts show a bit of off gassing, but it's nothing that I'm going to lose sleep over. All the steel looks amazing and the aluminum really only shows a few small blemishes around the hubs. So it goes.

Next up, wheel building.

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Old 08-23-2013, 12:53 PM   #26
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Great thread, great bike. Thanks for taking the time.
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Old 08-23-2013, 01:45 PM   #27
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That'll do pig, that'll do.[/QUOTE]





Well done, indeed....

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Old 08-23-2013, 02:02 PM   #28
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Old 08-23-2013, 02:04 PM   #29
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Oh, no! You didn't name your bike "Fredo" did you?





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Old 08-23-2013, 03:53 PM   #30
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Sounds like he's gonna name it Charlotte...
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