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Old 08-26-2013, 08:34 PM   #46
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FYI. A gopro mounted on your helmet is not legal as it is not part of the helmet. There is a RCW but I don't know the number off hand.
This is true. If I wasn't so lazy, I would write my representatives and complain. The reasoning for the law is complete nonsense.

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Secondly good luck using a recording or a traffic stop in court. If you do make sure you get one of those warning stickers like in a metro bus stating audio and video ate bring recorded. Audio recording need a warrant or consent.
This is incorrect. It is true that law enforcement have tried to use, "wiretapping" laws to stop people trying to record them.

However, that has never held up in court. It has to do with first amendment rights and prior restraint. Also, both law enforcement and the public have no, "reasonable expectation of privacy" in public. Record away with no need to inform.

The well known more resent ruling was Glik v Boston:

http://www.yaliberty.org/posts/glik-...ions-in-public

Even though that is a different district, the same kind of rulings have held in all states. I believe the city of Seattle tried the wiretap thing years ago, and ended up paying a civil penalty to the person who was recording.

To the OP, good on you for getting a lawyer. Too often we think it is too much trouble and just end up rolling over.

Good luck!
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Old 08-26-2013, 08:58 PM   #47
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A crotch rocket is another name for a sport bike.

And no, we were pushing the speed limit as is. I said AT LEAST 45, he was probably doing a lot more than that.

My WR tops out at 104... is that pushing it?


you can record cops all you want... please do!!
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:38 PM   #48
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I'd sue!

Sue the cop and the entire force for an infringement on yer American way of life!
Tell the Judge, that because this officer mistakenly detained you, that you missed an important business meeting!
As a result of missing the meeting, you lost a contract for over $75,000 dollars making new badges for all the LEO agencies in the State,
Oh!,,and,,,You won't be getting yer new desk plaque either, yer on her!


try that ploy,,Works every time for me!,,!
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Old 08-27-2013, 09:24 AM   #49
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The fine is 93$ I almost dont even care just dont want the point on my record. ANd under the infraction he wrote actual speed 71
And, there goes the insurance $$$
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:02 AM   #50
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I defended myself in a similar BS ticket at traffic court. Cop fabricated a story, judge said "who am I going to believe, this law enforcement officer (who was lying) or you.

I should clarify this was up in Canada, but my lack of faith in the "justice" system followed me to America. Luckily my driving record, and credit history did not
Had the same thing happen to me, years ago in Gladstone Oregon, the LEO cited me for a running a red light, I was pretty sure I made it through the yellow before it turned red (never saw red, only yellow), so I contested it. Now if the officer would have said the tail-end of my car was in the intersection when the light turned red I could have excepted that, but instead the officer flat out lied saying while he was sitting at the intersection his light turned green, THEN he saw me go through the red light

Fucker, I wanted so bad to say "I hope you sleep well tonight for lying in court" as I was leaving the courtroom..........but figured that would just get me in more trouble
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:08 AM   #51
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FYI. A gopro mounted on your helmet is not legal as it is not part of the helmet. There is a RCW but I don't know the number off hand.

Secondly good luck using a recording or a traffic stop in court. If you do make sure you get one of those warning stickers like in a metro bus stating audio and video ate bring recorded. Audio recording need a warrant or consent.


Typos and nonsensical words courtesy of fat fingers on a make believe keyboard.
What wacky juice/weed are you partaking of? There is no law against having a camera on your helmet (at least where I live).

And as far as the video/audio of a traffic stop, I HAVE done this and used it in court with success. Not to mention a lot of LE vehicles have dash cams that record this stuff that you can subpena.
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Old 08-27-2013, 07:28 PM   #52
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What wacky juice/weed are you partaking of? There is no law against having a camera on your helmet (at least where I live).
Washington State RCW 46.37.530 adapts the Federal Code standard 49 571.218. S5.5 of this code states:

"Projections. A helmet shall not have any rigid projections inside its shell. Rigid projections outside any helmet's shell shall be limited to those required for operation of essential accessories, and shall not protrude more than 0.20 inch (5 mm)."

Does law enforcement use this as an excuse to pull bikes over? Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o5b6...587&feature=iv

Action starts at 2:00 mark. Embedding disabled by uploader.

Don't you know? If you got in an accident, the camera would cause you to break your neck
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Old 08-28-2013, 06:55 AM   #53
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Washington State RCW 46.37.530 adapts the Federal Code standard 49 571.218. S5.5 of this code states:

"Projections. A helmet shall not have any rigid projections inside its shell. Rigid projections outside any helmet's shell shall be limited to those required for operation of essential accessories, and shall not protrude more than 0.20 inch (5 mm)."

Does law enforcement use this as an excuse to pull bikes over? Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o5b6...587&feature=iv

Action starts at 2:00 mark. Embedding disabled by uploader.

Don't you know? If you got in an accident, the camera would cause you to break your neck
Glad i don't live in WA
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:46 PM   #54
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Check with Mitche Green @ www.speedinginseattle.com
He's a very well known traffic court attorney. He got my ticket dismissed back in 2007. A friend referred me to him.
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Old 08-28-2013, 09:52 PM   #55
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I wouldn't recommend having the officer / trooper in court.

The day I was in court, the officer made a fool out of someone there. I concluded if the trooper / officer is there, forget about trying to get it reduced. But, that kid was fighting his own battle and didn't have an attorney.

Even with an attorney, I still don't think I'd want the office present, unless there was some compelling reason to have him/her there.

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Old 08-29-2013, 09:28 AM   #56
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I don't know this for a fact, but I suspect that many courts will dismiss the every day traffic tickets once they hear from one of the known specialist traffic attorneys. The courts know the attorneys will fight them on every little technicality, delay proceedings, etc.

I'm sure the courts are bringing in enough revenue from the turtles that end up on their backs and just send in their money that they don't need to fight it out with PIA attorneys.

More serious offenses, this does not apply I would think.
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Old 08-29-2013, 10:44 PM   #57
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I got tabbed by a photo radar few years ago in Beaverton OR.

Turns out the "judge" is a Lawyer on contract, and has a fee menu. Isn't allowed to dismiss and can only lower the fee to what the menu says. Turns out you could call the court clerk and get the same discount automatically if you pay with a credit card.. So unless you plan on requesting a trial, no point in even showing up, call in and pay over the phone..

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Old 08-30-2013, 02:11 PM   #58
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I got tabbed by a photo radar few years ago in Beaverton OR.

Turns out the "judge" is a Lawyer on contract, and has a fee menu. Isn't allowed to dismiss and can only lower the fee to what the menu says. Turns out you could call the court clerk and get the same discount automatically if you pay with a credit card.. So unless you plan on requesting a trial, no point in even showing up, call in and pay over the phone..

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Old 09-18-2013, 12:48 PM   #59
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So coming home today from work I was coming south on 9 got passed by some tweeker right as a state patrol was coming over the hill so he pulls her over and as hes pulling her over he waves me over really? WTF? Gets her info comes back and tells me I was keeping pace with her and was speeding ummmm

I told him the lady just passed me he was like well you were right behind her so you were keeping pace aaah no.

I didnt argue he comse back says ok heres the deal I only wrote you for 5 over G thanks..... See you in court asshole
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Old 09-18-2013, 06:11 PM   #60
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What ever happened here?
Paid a Lawyer to make it go away havent hard the out come yet as you have to wait for the court date I sent the ticket in to for dispute and imediately got the fuck out of town... Had a bussiness trip to North of the Arctic Circle at a mine and then headed home jumped on the 990 Adventure went to the ktm Rally and am still on the road.. Currently in Ennis Montana at the Bar of a lodge where there is stiff drinks and free wifi !!!
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