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Old 09-09-2013, 08:02 PM   #31
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I got mine - a 2012 HD200 EVO - last March for $2100 with 5K on the ODO from a private party who had posted it on Craigslist Tucson area. Turned out the owner just lived a few miles away from my town.

Freeways are not a problem with the HD. I weigh 150, ride solo, and the SYM holds 70-73mph easily. However, I wouldn't want to spend much time on interstates on any motor scooter. When riding on rural roads here in Arizona where the speed limit varies from 45-65mph, the SYM is in its element. Did a service on mine over the weekend; changed oil (5W-40 synthetic), checked the screen filter (it was clear, no sign of metal particles), and changed the transmission fluid (85W-140). Runs like a top.

The HD200 is well-made, fit and finish are excellent, the motor is strong and starts instantly every time. Scoot Over in Tucson has a couple for sale.

Ooty's Scooters in Santa Barbara is a major SYM dealer and sells them at reasonable prices.
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Old 11-02-2013, 08:11 PM   #32
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We bought a new leftover 2008 SYM HD200 about 2009 in Washington State. We moved to the Big Island of Hawaii almost two years ago. The HD200 just broke 7000 miles. The valves had never been checked, so today, with the help of a great youtube on doing just that on an HD200. It's a single cylinder water cooled 172 cc engine with a ceramic coated cylinder. With removing and reinstalling the body parts and being my first time doing this, it took about an hour and a half. The valves were still at perfect clearances, and I didn't have to reset any of the two intake and two exhaust valves. I knew they would be close, as when I removed the valve covers and rotated to TDC on compression stroke, I could feel a little play in each one.
The bike has got a bit hard starting when cold, and I was worried that the valves were too tight, but no such problem. It runs great warm. Maybe the auto choke is acting up. I'm still learning about scooters. I've ridden motorcycle since I was eight, and I'll be sixty on Nov. 1st.
My 09 Citycom was becoming hard to start when cold. The stock battery was a joke, the cheapest of the cheap and very poor quality despite being Yuasa. I chucked it and installed a larger Japanese AGM Yuasa. That was 10,000 miles ago and the bike still starts up instantly and runs great at 29000 KM with the original plug.
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Old 11-02-2013, 08:25 PM   #33
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Some other things I like about the HD200, is that it beats the vaunted PCX150. Quality should be the same, but the SYM has more displacement, larger wheels, is faster, has a 2 year warranty, easy valve adjustments, has a carb, and does not have linked brakes. It seems there is just no way to go wrong with this scooter. It's biggest problem seems to be that not many have ever heard of it. When they go looking for a scooter, they go for Japanese or Vespa. I have not bought one, because i still have 2 freeway capable motorcycles, and my 125s do fine around town and on rural roads.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:08 PM   #34
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It's biggest problem seems to be that not many have ever heard of it. When they go looking for a scooter, they go for Japanese or Vespa.
Jerry, you nailed that one.

I road with a Long Beach Scooter group, that I am now a part of, 2 weeks ago. There were 21 scooters, me, with the only SYM & ADV member. It seems that most folks have never heard of neither!

I waited for the '14's cause I want fuel injection. Why?, cause my bikes go to UT with me, and that means altitude, I live a sea level. This sucks performance. Guess I'll be waiting for the '15's now.

There she is, full glory with windscreen & top box.

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Old 11-02-2013, 09:57 PM   #35
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It is a best buy in scootering. My negatives are 1. no kick starter as a backup. 2.It should be quicker and easier to check and add coolant. There is a small window in the plastic where you can see the coolant recovery tank, but it can be tough to see the fluid in it. It's not a big deal, but should be easier to access the filler cap on that tank. The positives far outweigh the negatives. The battery is quite easy to access. I have suggested this great scooter to people with no reservations.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:52 AM   #36
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I never understood why the HD has no kick start but the RV does........
Strange.

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Old 11-03-2013, 06:50 AM   #37
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I did not know that the RV had a kickstart. Is it the same engine?

I live in a quaint old mining town in the Mule mountains. It has become a weekend tourist destination and lots of motorcycle and scooter riders are among the visitors. Several times six or 8 scooteristas will park next to my HD. Basically, they've never seen nor heard of one. Actually, I hadn't either, that is until last March when my riding buddy and I were shooting the bull at the local coffee shop. "You know, we're getting too old for Ducatis and Ninjas," I said. "Maybe we should just get motor scooters."

My friend nodded, then went home and apparently spent many hours on his computer researching scooters. Neither of us knew much about them. Well, a few days later he sent me an email: "SYM. It's the best." He's a man of few words.

Never having heard of SYM, I fired up Craigslist for Southeast AZ and one popped up, a 2012 HD200, and it was located almost in my back yard (around here that means within 25 miles). I googled it for pictures and decided it looked nice and modern and especially nice in red. And red it turned out to be.
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Old 11-03-2013, 07:04 AM   #38
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sym scooter

I came back from Israel about 2 moths ago and to my surprise ,the MOST common scooter there is by far the SYM 200's and 125's all over.
my son hase a SYM 200 and he LOVE it.........
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Old 11-03-2013, 07:16 AM   #39
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I did not know that the RV had a kickstart. Is it the same engine?
Yes sir same exact kicker. Makes no sence at all.

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Old 11-03-2013, 08:03 AM   #40
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Some other things I like about the HD200, is that it beats the vaunted PCX150. Quality should be the same, but the SYM has more displacement, larger wheels, is faster, has a 2 year warranty, easy valve adjustments, has a carb, and does not have linked brakes. It seems there is just no way to go wrong with this scooter. It's biggest problem seems to be that not many have ever heard of it. When they go looking for a scooter, they go for Japanese or Vespa. I have not bought one, because i still have 2 freeway capable motorcycles, and my 125s do fine around town and on rural roads.
Really? I'm OK with the fact that you find it more up your alley than the PCX... but that's kinda like saying, "My previous V-Strom beats the PCX: it has more displacement, larger wheels, is faster... oh, and it doesn't have a carb, either" Duh.

"The biggest problem" is "not many have heard of it"??? As a self-described "non-conformist," I would think this would be the BIGGEST DRAW for you!

You didn't buy one, 'cause you haven't put your money where your mouth is. If it is so great, sell that other stuff and buy this PCX beater.

I'm not being mean here. We all make decisions based on our situations, our biases, our desires. I picked the PCX because it does what I need (running lots of miles on the Interstate on two wheels isn't one of my needs these days). It wasn't a speed contest, and I don't mind spending a couple hours getting to the valves to check/adjust them... if that's what it takes. I did the research, made my choice, and bought the scoots. I didn't make my choice because it was a "Zuma beater," or most definitely a "Vino beater" (the first scooter my wife was interested in btw). The PCX has certainly been a good choice for us.

Everything I read about the SYM HD200 was good. The distribution situation with SYM was pretty unsettled when I bought our scoots. Plus, I was looking for the smallest scoot that would do what I wanted... WITH fuel injection and water cooled. (When we ordered our boat 7 years ago, I picked the particular power for that boat because it had fuel injection... I have not had a single fuel injection issue with any vehicle/vessel that has had it... I am particularly fond of the way these PCXes start and run, thanks to the fuel injection.) AND, I wanted a dealer/distribution system that would make parts availability practical.

For the record, I did not pay over the MSRP for these bikes. You suggested this particular dealer, Jerry, and I appreciate that advice. I've since visited with other PCX owners who bought elsewhere and did not pay more than MSRP... and some who did. Do the research, make the decison, act on it - that's my system. I enjoy reading here... I learn stuff all the time (you apparently can teach an old dog something)... sometimes I just get a good laugh. Sometimes I think, "That's cool." Or even, "Nice ride report." I enjoy seeing people enjoying. And, I understand that a person's decision to go a certain way doesn't affect my decision. Nor mine theirs.

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Old 11-03-2013, 08:21 AM   #41
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I noticed that SYM is returning to Canada now with 2014 models. Since the dealer support/distribution has been my biggest issue with SYM perhaps expanding back into Canada will have a positive impact on the Distributor (Alliance) and US sales will continue to grow.

Kymco has done a much better job expanding in the US.

With SYM, (can only speak for the south east US) they are usually carried as an afterthought model by dealers who focus on higher dollar brands. I can understand wanting to sell Vespas for twice what the SYMs sell for, but the brand has limited opportunity for success when the only people who have even heard of it are scooter fans on a SYM HD thread.

The big 4 Japanese brands have brand recognition due to decades of sales in the US. Kymco has way less, and SYM just a fraction of Kymco.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:27 PM   #42
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Bought my wife a HD200 several years ago it performs well and gets great fuel economy. Only issue so far was taking the front fairing off to check/add coolant. Ended up drilling out a few screws which had rusted up which wasn't a huge issue but a PITA.

When I checked the belt the lower skirting came off failrly which surprized me. Hasn't needed anything other than routine maintenance, I'm impressed with it.
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Old 11-03-2013, 02:51 PM   #43
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We bought a new leftover 2008 SYM HD200 about 2009 in Washington State. We moved to the Big Island of Hawaii almost two years ago. The HD200 just broke 7000 miles. The valves had never been checked, so today, with the help of a great youtube on doing just that on an HD200. It's a single cylinder water cooled 172 cc engine with a ceramic coated cylinder. With removing and reinstalling the body parts and being my first time doing this, it took about an hour and a half. The valves were still at perfect clearances, and I didn't have to reset any of the two intake and two exhaust valves. I knew they would be close, as when I removed the valve covers and rotated to TDC on compression stroke, I could feel a little play in each one.
The bike has got a bit hard starting when cold, and I was worried that the valves were too tight, but no such problem. It runs great warm. Maybe the auto choke is acting up. I'm still learning about scooters. I've ridden motorcycle since I was eight, and I'll be sixty on Nov. 1st.
If your scoot is running really well and isn't making any bad sounds, the valves don't need to be adjusted. Frequent valve adjustments means poor quality machinery. I have a 1984 Honda CH125 scooter that has never needed a valve adjustment.
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Old 11-04-2013, 05:26 AM   #44
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If your scoot is running really well and isn't making any bad sounds, the valves don't need to be adjusted. Frequent valve adjustments means poor quality machinery. I have a 1984 Honda CH125 scooter that has never needed a valve adjustment.
Just because a Manufacturer suggests frequent valve adjustments, doesn't mean it poor quality. Both the Honda PCX and Kymco Super 8 150 call for 2500 mile valve checks. That doesn't mean the valves will actually require adjustments that often. The last 2 checks on my Super 8 found the valve clearances spot on. I will probably not check them every 2500 miles from here on. On top of that, it's only a 45 min procedure and costs nothing to do. I suspect most PCX owners will also find that their valves will rarely require adjustment.

My Yamaha XT350 calls for 4000 mile valve checks. At 17000 miles I adjusted them for the first time and they were only slightly out.
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Old 11-05-2013, 12:46 AM   #45
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The problem with valves is that, if they are too loose they will make noise. But if they are too tight, you may well never know until engine damage lets you know. That's the real reason to check them. Burned exhaust valves can be the result of too tight.
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