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Old 09-25-2013, 06:41 AM   #61
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If someone else doesn't do it before me, I'll post pictures and data here in this thread when I get back from EICMA.
I'm in !!! I think this years EICMA will be a treat for ADV riders . Updated Yami Super Tenere and Suzie V-Strom 1000 , maybe we'll see a new Honda Africa Twin concept or something . It might get pretty interesting
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:15 AM   #62
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A friend of mine is a Yamaha dealer and last month he went to a dealer meeting at the Scandinavian importer.

They were told that Yamaha would reveal an updated S10 at EICMA in Milan in November.
The update should include slightly lower weight, a bit more power and some other minor changes.
I'm going to EICMA and are looking forward so see what Yamaha brings to the table.

I've had the chance to do a whole days test ride on the S10, and I liked it, but not enough to buy one - hopefully the updates will change that - otherwise I might end up with a R 1200 GS (LC)...
Christ! I hope that's right..I'm really starting to regret getting rid of my "old" S10. If Yamaha Have listened to the owners and given it a bit more umph then i'll be back on the S10 in 2014!!
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:44 AM   #63
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Even if it had a "bit more oomph", it won't be enough to appease the masses.
Most folks will never really get the Tenere. That's not likely to change.
Hope Yamaha sticks to their design intent. There is a lot of pressure to go the other way.
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:46 AM   #64
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Good to know, but I still don't understand what, even at 12.5K, makes it 4 grand better than a DL1000?
Hmm.... having owned a DL1000 and test ridden several S10s here's my observations. No this is in consideration of the existing Vee because we don't really know what the price of the updated version will be or how it functions yet.

1. I'd easily pay $2k more just to get the shaft drive. You may not, but I would in a heart beat.

2. I'd easily pay $2k more for far superior suspension and brakes.

Those don't take into account far better off-road manners, wire wheels, adjustable seat height, or the myriad of "advanced" electro mojo such as TC and ABS that many like. But I might deduct $500 for a ECU reflash to get the throttle response corrected but the Vee generally needs some fuel map massaging to be it's best also so maybe it's a wash.

Honestly, for the time the Vee was designed it was world class and it's a very good bike considering it's dated components etc. But the world has moved on and the Vee hasn't, until 2014. Wow, that's a long time for an upgrade, nearly as long as the DR650 or KLR650......

But seriously, there is easily $4k worth of honest upgrades between the two bikes.
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Old 09-25-2013, 10:49 AM   #65
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Even if it had a "bit more oomph", it won't be enough to appease the masses.
Most folks will never really get the Tenere. That's not likely to change.
Hope Yamaha sticks to their design intent. There is a lot of pressure to go the other way.


Kind of like a Guzzi. Sometimes it's okay to be a little different in a good way.
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Old 09-25-2013, 03:32 PM   #66
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I was always amazed at how many people did not get the Super Tenere. The UBS/ABS is simply superb, and everyone was trying to find a way to turn it off, geeze.

Very balanced bike, strong engine for offroad, never stalled it messing about. Not my favorite for long distance drumming, but few are.
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Old 09-25-2013, 04:37 PM   #67
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I was always amazed at how many people did not get the Super Tenere. The UBS/ABS is simply superb, and everyone was trying to find a way to turn it off, geeze.

Very balanced bike, strong engine for offroad, never stalled it messing about. Not my favorite for long distance drumming, but few are.
Thank the media and BMW for that. After years of 'less than perfection' in ABS everyone thought
the only fix was to be able to shut it off. People who had never ridden the Tenere complained about
the lack of a shut off option before they even knew it wasn't needed. Still do. Now that BMW seems
to have jumped on the Yamaha ABS type system (meaning it works) maybe people will start to listen.
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:25 PM   #68
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Yes. I can't wait until just ONE journo says the new GS ABS works so well that there is no reason to disable it.

I'm gonna come unglued! Lol
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Old 09-25-2013, 06:27 PM   #69
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Hmm.... having owned a DL1000 and test ridden several S10s here's my observations. No this is in consideration of the existing Vee because we don't really know what the price of the updated version will be or how it functions yet.

1. I'd easily pay $2k more just to get the shaft drive. You may not, but I would in a heart beat.

2. I'd easily pay $2k more for far superior suspension and brakes.

Those don't take into account far better off-road manners, wire wheels, adjustable seat height, or the myriad of "advanced" electro mojo such as TC and ABS that many like. But I might deduct $500 for a ECU reflash to get the throttle response corrected but the Vee generally needs some fuel map massaging to be it's best also so maybe it's a wash.

Honestly, for the time the Vee was designed it was world class and it's a very good bike considering it's dated components etc. But the world has moved on and the Vee hasn't, until 2014. Wow, that's a long time for an upgrade, nearly as long as the DR650 or KLR650......

But seriously, there is easily $4k worth of honest upgrades between the two bikes.
Thanks. I agree that having a reliable shaft drive would be a big plus. The VFR is approaching the end of its useful (reliable) life, the Super T might make it to the list of possible replacements.
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Old 09-27-2013, 01:09 PM   #70
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Thanks. I agree that having a reliable shaft drive would be a big plus. The VFR is approaching the end of its useful (reliable) life, the Super T might make it to the list of possible replacements.
There a delivery guy in the UK with 400k on this VFR700... You must be getting up there in miles!
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:18 PM   #71
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Yes. I can't wait until just ONE journo says the new GS ABS works so well that there is no reason to disable it.
I'm gonna come unglued! Lol
Grab your glue: BMW built it into the riding modes already, so the journos don't have to say that. In Enduro mode, the ABS is purposely programmed to work on gravel, though you can turn it off as well. In Enduro Pro, the rear wheel ABS is off so you can slide the rear around when needed, useful with knobbies on the bike, and the front wheel still has ABS.

And there is still an overall ABS off switch if one prefers.
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Old 09-27-2013, 02:44 PM   #72
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I understand why BMW chose to do it that way. And now they have a quality ABS solution that affords it.

But still, it's the irritating pretend-to-be-expert journalist that really is just parroting the ABS-must-be-disabled mantra, that gets my eyes rolling up into my head.
They don't really form their own opinions based on their own riding experience.

I'm just restating what's been said a million times here. But now that the GS ABS is good, now everyone else's will get the nod too, perhaps.

Yamaha never got the Kudos they rightfully deserve for advancing ABS to a new standard on the Tenere. But they did.
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Old 09-27-2013, 05:13 PM   #73
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So the wait is on, November 4th and we'll find just what the new 2015 has in updates. I have my BMW 1150Gs sold and I am hoping my 2011 1200Gs will be sold by November so I can decide between getting a steal on a 2012 Super Tenere or placing an order in March for a 2015. By the way I am clearing the stable of BMWs because of poor reliability, the cost of service, and the lack of quality service in the North Westen corner of North America. BMW your bikes and dealers have let me down 4 times to many. Sorry day when a Yamaha dealer and a HD dealer care more about keeping BMWs rolling than BMW dealers.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:35 PM   #74
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There a delivery guy in the UK with 400k on this VFR700... You must be getting up there in miles!
Nowhere near that, 112,000mi, but I"m on the 4th RR, 2nd stator, it's got a salvage title, needs head & wheel bearings. Forks and shock need to be rebuilt too. The engine itself though, wowwee. I wish we got that 800 crosstour/runner.
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Old 09-27-2013, 09:58 PM   #75
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Grab your glue: BMW built it into the riding modes already, so the journos don't have to say that. In Enduro mode, the ABS is purposely programmed to work on gravel, though you can turn it off as well. In Enduro Pro, the rear wheel ABS is off so you can slide the rear around when needed, useful with knobbies on the bike, and the front wheel still has ABS.

And there is still an overall ABS off switch if one prefers.
BMW (and KTM) have had the recent advantage of further improvements to the Bosch Generation 9 ABS. They did not exist 4 or 5 years ago when the S10 was designed.

The improvements include inertia sensors among other things. On top of that, better (later ?) software has enabled more ABS modes to be added to the bikes.

See the links within this post for more info...

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=87

I would guess that these are likely to be among the improvements in the 2015 S10.
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