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Old 09-19-2013, 08:48 AM   #16
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As a GPS-only, I think it's worth exploring the phones. But I would be a bit hesitant to use my sole phone as my GPS exposed like that. I mean, if it breaks for some reason, I will not only be out of a GPS, but I won't have a phone either.
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Old 09-19-2013, 10:51 AM   #17
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I really dislike my Montana (compared to Google maps on my 4.5 year old iphone), so I'm always looking for alternatives.
This Samsung looks pretty cool, but I wouldn't trust the mount (I ride mostly off-road). If someone designs a more rugged mount, I might consider it... thanks for the heads-up.
Meh, I ride offroad and use my x-mount. It's rock solid. I guess if you were really concerned you could add a rubber band around it for safety sake, but having used it I don't see the need.

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As a GPS-only, I think it's worth exploring the phones. But I would be a bit hesitant to use my sole phone as my GPS exposed like that. I mean, if it breaks for some reason, I will not only be out of a GPS, but I won't have a phone either.
This is a concern I can see, but with my otterbox defender case I'm not too worried. There are even stronger cases/pelican boxes you can buy, but if I was that worried about it I would grab a cheap Android phone off of craigslist, load the maps via wifi and use that.
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Old 09-19-2013, 11:02 AM   #18
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This is a concern I can see, but with my otterbox defender case I'm not too worried. There are even stronger cases/pelican boxes you can buy, but if I was that worried about it I would grab a cheap Android phone off of craigslist, load the maps via wifi and use that.
Good point. It was just something that I thought would have to be considered :)
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Old 09-19-2013, 11:51 AM   #19
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Can you post a pic of your S4 Active in daylight? I think you may have convinced me.

Just checked my AT&T account and I can upgrade for $199. Same price as an iPhone 5c. Hmmmm.
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Old 09-19-2013, 12:41 PM   #20
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I fear the day when my 550 dies and I can't get a refurb.
Garmin has already discontinued repair services for the 450 (not sure about the 550).

Because I was being lazy, I was going to send them my 450 to have the damaged screen replaced last month (August 2013), but was informed that they no longer provide repairs on the 450.

Fortunately, I had previously ordered a replacement touchscreen and LCD from Hong Kong and successfully replaced both last night.
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Old 09-20-2013, 08:41 AM   #21
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I am using the 2 amp BurnsMoto USB connector for power/charging. While using the GPS, the Samsung S4 will still lose about 1.5% of charge per hour. I was warned of this, but dismissed it as inaccurate information because I knew the AC charger supplied with the phone was 2 amps. I have yet to measure the current while in use, but even with 1.5% an hour, leaves plenty of time for statewide use. Closing Co-Pilot which turns off the GPS, the phone shows a positive charge. As I don't use the GPS 100% of the time, even on IronButts, this isn't a crisis.
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An Android phone has a high current charging mode, but it has to be activated by shorting the data pins in the USB cable. BurnsMoto may be rated at 100A, but if it doesn't have the pins shorted, the phone will only charge at 500mA. One way to deal with this is to make a custom cable with shorted pins. I rooted my phone, so I installed a ROM which allows to override the detection and turn the high current charging mode on manually. I have an USB outlet similar to BurnsMoto I bought from CycleNutz. It was advertised as 1A, but in reality never delivered more than 400mA. I bought a USB 5V converter from ebay. In high current mode I can run Navigation, screen at full brightness, music streaming, bluetooth and still charge the phone. I recommend Battery Monitor Widget (BMW ) to keep tabs on the charging state in the real time. https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...=ccc71.bmw.pro
Car Home Ultra provides a nice large button UI useable while riding https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...nghead.carhome
Also Icon Touchscreen compatible gloves make a huge difference.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:13 AM   #22
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An Android phone has a high current charging mode, but it has to be activated by shorting the data pins in the USB cable. BurnsMoto may be rated at 100A, but if it doesn't have the pins shorted, the phone will only charge at 500mA.
Closer to 300ma I found on the S3 and S4. I believe that they do that for older USB 1.0 port compatibility.

My S4 will actually pull a bit over 1 amp once the D+ and D- lines are shorted. It is very easy to short them with a tiny piece of foil in the USB plug. Problem solved, and the charge is fast even running the GPS with the screen at max.

+1 on the Battery Monitor Widget. (BMW )
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:26 AM   #23
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What app do you create routes with?
oruxmaps (you need BRouter for OFFLINE routing from waypoints) has a great UI, and very easy to use routing setup. brouter is a little finicky to setup, but if you're used to the hoops basecamp requires, it's a cake walk.

for you phone goobers that are ditching the high priced gps units, try these:

sygic ( offline, onroad navigation )
oruxmaps (offline OFF or ON road routing/navigation, planning, geocaching, photowaypoints, tracking, STATS AFTERWORDS, backtracking, and a few other things)
osmand+ ( totally offline navigation )
backcountryexplorer ( great for backpacking )
google maps (caches map sections at 60 or so miles at a time)
dualsportmaps (offline mapping, routing, tracking, etc)

and while you're playing with them, think about what you WANT in the app's future, and tell the developer about it. they're very receptive, and make a living doing what you ask for, not to mention real people instead of a corporation.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:35 AM   #24
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oruxmaps (you need BRouter for OFFLINE routing from waypoints) has a great UI, and very easy to use routing setup. brouter is a little finicky to setup, but if you're used to the hoops basecamp requires, it's a cake walk.

for you phone goobers that are ditching the high priced gps units, try these:

sygic ( offline, onroad navigation )
oruxmaps (offline OFF or ON road routing/navigation, planning, geocaching, photowaypoints, tracking, STATS AFTERWORDS, backtracking, and a few other things)
osmand+ ( totally offline navigation AND ONLINE)
backcountryexplorer ( great for backpacking )
google maps (caches map sections at 60 or so miles at a time)
dualsportmaps (offline mapping, routing, tracking, etc)

and while you're playing with them, think about what you WANT in the app's future, and tell the developer about it. they're very receptive, and make a living doing what you ask for, not to mention real people instead of a corporation.
If your point is that corporations do not listen to their customers I would disagree but since all of the products you've mentioned are
incorporated businesses maybe there is another point you are making.
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Old 09-20-2013, 11:42 AM   #25
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Also Icon Touchscreen compatible gloves make a huge difference.
Or use Any Glove for Leather.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:17 PM   #26
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Or get a Samsung S4. It has a setting to raise the sensitivity and work with gloves. It can detect from almost 1/4 inch away.
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Old 09-20-2013, 12:21 PM   #27
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Or get a Samsung S4. It has a setting to raise the sensitivity and work with gloves. It can detect from almost 1/4 inch away.
Hate to burst your Samsung bubble but all Android OS's since 4.0 have a Display, Glove Mode, setting. It works if you have textile gloves or very think leather gloves but it is of no use in the rain -- you need something more, or skin.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:09 PM   #28
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Hate to burst your Samsung bubble but all Android OS's since 4.0 have a Display, Glove Mode, setting. It works if you have textile gloves or very think leather gloves but it is of no use in the rain -- you need something more, or skin.
I am on 4.1 and have no Glove Mode in the settings.
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Old 09-20-2013, 01:11 PM   #29
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I am on 4.1 and have no Glove Mode in the settings.
Then your cell phone provider chose not to implement it.
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Old 09-20-2013, 02:27 PM   #30
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Google "Galaxy s3 glove mode" shows nothing.

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