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Old 09-25-2013, 10:32 PM   #31
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The old "PPE" was retarded, it basically involved "the magic vest" your uniform boots and a long sleeve T-shirt. Period.

I got pulled over where a bright red one piece and had to talk my way out of it. I was on the way to the track, in track gear

Not magic vest. I fucking still hate those fucking things.
Many many many years ago, the Navy required "hard soled shoes with a heel". I got stopped at the front gate of NAS Whidbey Island on an FZR wearing road race boots. The wouldn't let me on because there was no "stepped heel"!

Per the instruction, had I been wearing chloraframs I would have been good to go.
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Old 09-26-2013, 06:45 AM   #32
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Source?

I'm reading OPNAVINST 5100.12J right now and it says:



This does not apply to civilians/contractors. They no longer require proof of anything to get onto base (we did away with the base stickers), but as a Sailor you still have training requirements to operate a motorcycle.

Here the civies still must take the course. Not sure about contractors.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:35 PM   #33
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I said they should be allowed to decide what safety precautions to take, I didn't say they always take the smart ones.

I had to take the MSF course which is a good start. I don't know if that's still a requirement. You can't regulate common sense and I'm guessing a florescent vest doesn't make you, as a rider, any smarter.

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I'd suggest if they got the same level of training and qualification testing to ride a motorcycle as they have to go through to "fly a multi-million dollar F-15" the crash rate would be lower.
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Old 09-26-2013, 03:38 PM   #34
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Yes I have and sometimes it was a little closer than I care to admit.

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Then again, have you seen some of the dumb stuff that Airmen, Seaman, Marines, and Soldiers do?
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Old 09-26-2013, 05:55 PM   #35
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I'm Army but I live on an Nellis Air Force base. Yesterday the gate guard told me that a reflective vest was no longer required to get on base. Nor is it required to wear a "brightly colored" uppergarment at all. Still required are helmet, eye pro, gloves, long sleeves, long pants and over the ankle boots.

This mirrors what I saw last week while attending a class at Joint Base Lewis McChord near Seattle, where almost no riders were wearing vests. This is recent, like the last two weeks.

Personally I hated having to wear a reflective vest, so I'm happy with this change.

I am curious what prompted the change. I haven't seen any articles or announcements after searching online.

Is this just for day riding. I heard that you still are required at night to wear a reflective vest?
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:04 PM   #36
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In 23 years of riding onto military bases I have only once been told to put on a brightly colored vest. All my jackets have reflective piping and/or reflective strips. several times the guards have begun to hassle me but once I point out the reflective stuff they let me in. For the last 2 years I wear a a black leather FXRG jacket and have not had any problems at Belvoir, Meyer, the Pentagon, Andrews, Camp Dawson, etc.etc.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:17 AM   #37
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feldjäger, The guard who told me there was no requirement for a vest didn't mention anything about a vest at night. I've since come home in the evening in my black leather jacket and had no issue.

I'm sure some base commanders will add requirements though.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:31 AM   #38
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The OP needs to check his info beside just a couple of gate guards (usually the lowest guys in the food chain). The base "might" have changed their policy, but the Air Force has not. AFI91-207 is still very much in effect here. I only say this so a bunch or Air Force riders don't go out with out checking with their base. I run the safety program here at my base and stay pretty current on all the regs. The DODI mandates refresher training every five years now as well.

I am not here to argue good or bad, just state that the Air Force policy has not changed. And this applies on base or off, all time. I have opinions but will keep them to myself.
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Old 09-27-2013, 10:54 AM   #39
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I stand corrected. The new AFI 91-207 dropped last week. Wing commander can still mandate if desired, I am trying to fight it here.....
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Old 09-28-2013, 03:04 AM   #40
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I'd suggest if they got the same level of training and qualification testing to ride a motorcycle as they have to go through to "fly a multi-million dollar F-15" the crash rate would be lower.
As a retired F-15/16 mechanic, that was my first thought too.

I've had my own experiences with regulation blinded gate guards. Same story as above, riding a GS, I pulled up to the Nellis AFB gate in a hi-vis 'stich and was told I need to wear my vest. Had a fluorescent orange one in the pannier just in case I met one of the BD morons, cuz I needed to stay on base for a few days. Not my first experience with the stupid factor at a main gate.
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:42 AM   #41
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I figured something had changed , I work around quite a few mil installations and noticed I dont see as many Hi Vis vest in use . Around Army bases I noticed a change about a year ago or less .
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:46 AM   #42
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Those requirements are the same in the Coast Guard, no reflective gear has been required since I started riding to work in '08. The only requirement you need to ride on base besides the PPE is your MSF card, which they have never checked since the very first time!
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Old 09-28-2013, 08:58 AM   #43
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If It's a Requirement

Like steel toe boots, if Air Force requires you to wear them then they should issue them. 20 years Air Force, I feel the pain. I just ride in the middle of the road. I never have a visibility problem in the middle of the road. But I would like to thank the Air Force for all the safety classes. Saved me money on insurance, I think, maybe.
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Old 09-28-2013, 09:09 AM   #44
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I'm a little surprised that some of you guys are getting pissed at gate guards when they don't immediately allow you to violate base policy because you have a pretty jacket on.

For those of you who have never figured out how to get along in the world, here's how you handle it. You say, "Hey, thanks brother. Listen, I don't mean to be a pain in the ass, but I need to chat with your Gunny. He around?"

Then you talk to the Gunny. Now, this is important. You say, "Hey Gunny, your guy out on the gate is doing a great job. He's polite. He's professional. He's squared away. He says he's not gonna let me in if I don't have a reflective vest. He's right, I don't. But I have this jacket with all this refective material. Am I good to go?" And presto, you're in. It really is that simple.
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Old 09-28-2013, 10:47 AM   #45
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The OP needs to check his info beside just a couple of gate guards (usually the lowest guys in the food chain). The base "might" have changed their policy, but the Air Force has not. AFI91-207 is still very much in effect here. I only say this so a bunch or Air Force riders don't go out with out checking with their base. I run the safety program here at my base and stay pretty current on all the regs. The DODI mandates refresher training every five years now as well.

I am not here to argue good or bad, just state that the Air Force policy has not changed. And this applies on base or off, all time. I have opinions but will keep them to myself.
And also, as OP has stated he is Army, the Army regulation also applies as well.
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