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Old 09-29-2013, 04:12 AM   #16
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Wow--they really do see it as appropriate (see no. 15): http://www.warthogsmc.com/Documents/GroupRiding.pdf
Wow, sounds like as much fun as close order drill in the military...and I don't know many veterans who actually liked that BS! Interesting also that they actually documented something that runs contrary to what drivers are taught. I haven't seen mention of road captains or group integrity in any driver education program.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:09 AM   #17
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The inside lane is usually smoother, you have more time to see and react to deer. I ride in it when I can, but I move right for faster traffic.

I have had them block me by spreading out too. So I passed the group by slingshoting uphill so it happened too fast for them to react. A couple of them decided to gave chase. Must have been from the you are #1 sign I gave them. I slowed down a bit so they thought they had a chance. Nest set of curves marked 35, so I entered at about 70, sped up a bit from there and never saw them again.

I do not care where they ride, as long as they do not block. I have passed many many Harley groups since, no one has tried to block, some even wave me past. Must be my reputation

Well fog is lifting, time to get out and ride. May I only meet nice normal riders today, as usual. If not, well, sucks to be them. I feel sorry for them.

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Old 09-29-2013, 08:43 AM   #18
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Cool2 Groupthink Sucks

In years of running vintage Suzuki rallies at theGSresources.com , we've found that the allure of groupthink is inexplicably powerful, no matter what sort of group it is or what they're riding.

Unless you set up and enforce some very different expectations, you inevitably end up with a tight conga line of 30 bikes playing a miserable game of follow-the-tail-light at 10mph below the speed limit (the average velocity of the slowest rider). What's really striking is that normally rational, safe riders will start to do the dumbest shit imaginable in order to "keep the group together" -- they block intersections (illegal), they retaliate against anyone they think threatens the group, they try to keep anyone from "disresepcting" the group, etc. It's absolutely amazing and horrifying to see.

More on Groupthink. Basically, people start to place the "integrity" of the group above their own enjoyment and safety. It happens with surprising speed and frequency, and has caused all sorts of disasters.


Here's a sample of my usual rant on the subject -- it helps explain "the GSR way" if there are any n00bs. Sometimes people get upset that we don't have a "road captain" (whatever the hell that is), but after a little while, they start to realize they're having more fun and feeling more relaxed and free...
Now, let's discuss "The GSR Way" to ride safely in a group:

- Every ride is "choose your own adventure". You'll get maps, but what you see and where you go are completely up to you. YOU are in charge of piloting your motorcycle and no one else.

- Ride like no one is around. If you find yourself feeling anxious, tense, or angry, if your hands, shoulders, or back hurts, or if you're going slower or faster or changing position or doing ANYTHING differently just because there are other bikes around, you are unsafe. SLOW DOWN or STOP and THINK and CHANGE SOMETHING to get your head back into your own ride, not the group's ride. In other words, CHECK YOURSELF BEFORE YOU WRECK YOURSELF.

- Faster riders first -- this way the group stretches out. Space is safety. Space equals more fun and scenery. Make sure you understand this -- this is very different than other types of group rides where they focus on putting on an orderly, slow-paced parade at the expense of safety and enjoyment.

- Pass and be passed. If a rider is in view behind you and is getting closer, move over and wave them around when it's safe. This way, the group soon sorts itself out and starts to stretch out. If you are the rider behind, pass when it's safe. EVERYONE gets to ride the pace they're comfortable with at that moment. There are no "fast" or "slow" groups -- just people who feel like seeing similar scenery and roads.

- WAIT for the riders behind you at turns and stops so no one is confused. (The corollary is that the faster/fastest riders must also know where they're going...)

- Make sure you can see and identify the rider ahead of you and the rider behind you occasionally -- once every mile or so. If you get waaaay ahead of your following rider, slow down or stop for a bit until you can see them again. If the rider following disappears, stop and wait a bit, then u-turn safely and see what's up. (This will cascade up the group -- the rider ahead of you will notice you've disappeared and turn around, etc.). This way, we can take advantage of the benefits of a group without falling victim to the potential dangers of groupthink.

The corollary is that if you're with a group, make sure you tell them when you're thinking about going off on your own, heading back to the barn, or jumping to another group so they don't worry needlessly.

- Ride like the group does not exist. What I mean is that anything you do to "keep the group together" or "preserve the integrity of the group" is UNSAFE and WRONG. No hand signals, road captains, sweepers, or blockers, no blocking traffic, no rolling stop signs, absolutely NO riding in formation, or any of that Harley bro parade crap. Each bike is an island. Ride like no one's watching. Groups have no legal existence or meaning. REMEMBER THIS. GROUPTHINK IS POWERFUL AND DEADLY.

- Every rider MUST carry a map and have some idea of where they are. Again, ride like you're by yourself. Be prepared to navigate, even if you're just following someone else at the moment.

- Riding by yourself and changing, splitting, and forming new groups are perfectly fine and encouraged. There is no group, organization or herd -- we're just a bunch of people who like to ride and just happen to be visiting the same general area.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:42 AM   #19
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I came up upon a group of about 15 bikes on a four lane road that was in the left lane passing a slow car in the right lane. This was in a 55 mph zone, the group of bikes were traveling about 50 mph. There were a few cars behind the group of bikes. As soon as the bikes got past the slow car the last bike moved over into the right lane and stayed there. The other bikes remained in the left lane. They stayed this way traveling about 50 in a 55 for the 5 miles or so where I turned off. Traffic was stacked up behind them.

Made no sense to me at all.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:53 AM   #20
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I came up upon a group of about 15 bikes on a four lane road that was in the left lane passing a slow car in the right lane. This was in a 55 mph zone, the group of bikes were traveling about 50 mph. There were a few cars behind the group of bikes. As soon as the bikes got past the slow car the last bike moved over into the right lane and stayed there. The other bikes remained in the left lane. They stayed this way traveling about 50 in a 55 for the 5 miles or so where I turned off. Traffic was stacked up behind them.

Made no sense to me at all.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:56 AM   #21
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We get people who hog the middle lane. They don't move when you flash them and as we can't 'undertake' the outside lane gets full of sales reps in the BMW/Audi all waving their dicks (ooo ,look at me, I'm more special than you).

People who believe that the middle lane is the more safe than the other lanes is a little.............. well...............FUKKIN delusional.

The inside lane, you know, the lane next to the hard shoulder, the hard shoulder where you have to get to in an emergency. But noooooooooo, if I have a blowout then I'll cross another lane, (fucking people about, 'cause I'm so special) to get to the hard shoulder. Twats.

Ooo, but the inside lane has wear where the trucks have been. STOP WINGING YOU FUKKIN DICKHEAD. Just avoid them. Plan ahead, look where you are riding.


Oh and AUDI stands for Arseholes Usually Drive It.

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Old 09-29-2013, 06:28 PM   #22
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We get people who hog the middle lane. They don't move when you flash them and as we can't 'undertake' the outside lane gets full of sales reps in the BMW/Audi all waving their dicks (ooo ,look at me, I'm more special than you).

People who believe that the middle lane is the more safe than the other lanes is a little.............. well...............FUKKIN delusional.

The inside lane, you know, the lane next to the hard shoulder, the hard shoulder where you have to get to in an emergency. But noooooooooo, if I have a blowout then I'll cross another lane, (fucking people about, 'cause I'm so special) to get to the hard shoulder. Twats.

Ooo, but the inside lane has wear where the trucks have been. STOP WINGING YOU FUKKIN DICKHEAD. Just avoid them. Plan ahead, look where you are riding.


Oh and AUDI stands for Arseholes Usually Drive It.

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Old 09-29-2013, 08:34 PM   #23
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...Now, let's discuss "The GSR Way" to ride safely in a group:..
I never heard of the "GSR way" but that's pretty much how I learned to ride in groups from way back in the 80's.

btw, does my 86 GSXR qualify as vintage Suzuki yet, I'm pretty sure my T500 does? :)
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:21 PM   #24
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If you're not a douche bag , yes. They're as bad as bicycles and their entitlement bullshit.
No, they're worse. But they're still not as bad as most motorists or even some motorcyclists who think bicycles are more than a blip on the safety, courtesy, or entitlement-bullshit-o-meter.
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Old 09-30-2013, 06:35 AM   #25
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Try dealing with 100+ on a 2 lane road spread evenly over 3 miles running 50 on a 65 mph road. With sag trailers and even an ambulance trailing.

Some kind of charity event. The only good part was they had a town cop at the traffic light directing EVERYONE thru quickly.

Made for some really squirrely behavior of all the other traffic that wasn't out for a scening ride in the fresh air.....
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Old 10-01-2013, 10:05 PM   #26
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Wow--they really do see it as appropriate (see no. 15): http://www.warthogsmc.com/Documents/GroupRiding.pdf
If you refer to No. 5, they also admonish their members not to attempt to prevent other vehicles from entering the group.

IF you are going to ride as a cohesive group, their rules for their members seem pretty reasonable, and the emphasis is on both courtesy and safety.

Frankly, I have encountered a lot more sport bike jockeys than pirates acting like Most of the pirates have been attentive and courteous.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:10 AM   #27
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:29 PM   #28
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I'm sorry, but I ride in the left hand lane pretty much all the time at about 10-15 MPH above the posted limit. I live in Houston where you will NOT be the fastest vehicle, unless you're doing 90. If you want to travel faster, you can go around.
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:43 PM   #29
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I was on my way home from work today on the hwy with two south bound lanes cruising in my spyder at about 75 (in a 70). I was on the car because the GSXR is in the hospital. Anyway I came upon about 15 guys on cruisers, they looked to be in a club because they were all hearing the same leather jacket with some patches on the back I didn't bother to read. Anyway they were almost all in the fast lane going about 70 and making everyone pass them on the right.

As I moved to the right to pass the group I notice one bike in the slow lane so they've effectively taken up the whole freeway. As I approached the lead rider motioned for that rider to move over and he did before I had to hit the brakes. That was nice so I waved thanks as I passed them on the right.

So, the question is: Why do they do that????? Isn't slower traffic supposed to be in the right lane? It's not a huge deal, just very slightly annoying. Maybe some of you guys who ride in huge packs might enlighten me.
Cause they are idiots on cruisers...

Laws vary state to state, but if you are an idiot or dick, you hog the left lane. Courtesy and safety dictate you do not. Even if you are speeding. You are an asshole. You know who you are...
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Old 10-02-2013, 01:48 PM   #30
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I'm sorry, but I ride in the left hand lane pretty much all the time at about 10-15 MPH above the posted limit. I live in Houston where you will NOT be the fastest vehicle, unless you're doing 90. If you want to travel faster, you can go around.
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First, you're not sorry.

Oh, now I get it. You decide that 10-15 over is your speed and hang out in the left lane. At the same time, you surely wouldn't be complaining about another left lane driver only doing 5-10 mph over?

I like the states that have the sign "keep right except to pass". Ian, Iowa
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