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Old 09-28-2013, 10:15 PM   #1
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Other bikes that should exist

Yamaha has the Tenere. The other 3 of the "big 4" should come out with either an 800cc or 1200cc adventure-tourers.
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Old 09-28-2013, 11:05 PM   #2
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Yamaha has the Tenere. The other 3 of the "big 4" should come out with either an 800cc or 1200cc adventure-tourers.
You mean something like this/these?


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Old 09-28-2013, 11:18 PM   #3
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:05 AM   #4
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At least SOME of the "best" ideas or concept bikes have either never been available in the USA, or are no longer produced. Honda is good for that..... their best ideas and best bikes.... they just stop making them.

You hear "hints" or talk at bike shows about bikes that "might" end up in our market, and typically they never reach us. The big Tenere the exception, but why not let us have a crack at the smaller bugger too?
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:37 AM   #5
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Yamaha has the Tenere. The other 3 of the "big 4" should come out with either an 800cc or 1200cc adventure-tourers.
They do exist but are not offered to the American market.

The Honda & Suzuki models were pointed out, Kawasaki has the Versys 1000 in other markets including Canada.

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Old 09-29-2013, 08:59 AM   #6
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At least SOME of the "best" bikes have never been available in the USA, or are no longer produced. Honda is good for that..... their best ideas and best bikes.... they just stop making them.

You hear "hints" or talk at bike shows about bikes that "might" end up in our market, and typically they never reach us. The big Tenere the exception, but why not let us have a crack at the smaller bugger too?
Yup, for whatever reason the Japanese don't regard the USA as a good market for ADV bikes even though we probably have more adventure riding opportunities than most excepting Australia.

Why Yamaha has never brought the smaller Tenere into the States is beyond me. Why Kawi chose not to bring in the Versys 1000 still baffles me.

In all honesty though, I suspect the American buyers have been slow to adopt to ADV style bikes. "We" seem to buy cruisers and crotch rockets by the boat load but what about the rest of us???
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:28 AM   #7
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At least SOME of the "best" ideas or concept bikes have either never been available in the USA, or are no longer produced. Honda is good for that..... their best ideas and best bikes.... they just stop making them.

You hear "hints" or talk at bike shows about bikes that "might" end up in our market, and typically they never reach us. The big Tenere the exception, but why not let us have a crack at the smaller bugger too?
For the life of me, I can't figure out why Honda doesn't import that 800 ADV bike (crosstour/runner?) Seems like everyone has an SUV, and the vast majority of these never go off road, so it seems like these types of bikes should do much better than they do.....?
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Old 09-29-2013, 04:10 PM   #8
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For the life of me, I can't figure out why Honda doesn't import that 800 ADV bike (crosstour/runner?) Seems like everyone has an SUV, and the vast majority of these never go off road, so it seems like these types of bikes should do much better than they do.....?
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Bingo, there is a close correlation between SUVs and ADV bikes. Many bought SUVs because they are comfortable and multi purpose much like an ADV bike. Even though many ADV bikes won't see RTW trips etc they are still far more comfortable to ride than most other bikes on the market these days and easier to mount useful luggage on. Try mounting useful luggage on a sport bike..... or taking your significant other riding with you. ADV bikes just plain make good sense for many reasons just like SUVs do.
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Old 09-29-2013, 05:21 PM   #9
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Bingo, there is a close correlation between SUVs and ADV bikes. Many bought SUVs because they are comfortable and multi purpose much like an ADV bike. Even though many ADV bikes won't see RTW trips etc they are still far more comfortable to ride than most other bikes on the market these days and easier to mount useful luggage on. Try mounting useful luggage on a sport bike..... or taking your significant other riding with you. ADV bikes just plain make good sense for many reasons just like SUVs do.
Yup, my 2008 Suzuki DL1000 is butt ugly, particularly with Pelican cases bolted to its flanks, but it's a Barca-Lounger on wheels.
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Old 09-29-2013, 06:37 PM   #10
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Even these bikes mentioned are a little street oriented for my liking. It's like how Nissan made the new Pathfinder into a soccer mom vehicle. These are the motorcycle equivalent of the Pathfinder. Take them off-road and you're hosed. When is one of the big four going to make a dirt worthy ADV that isn't a thumper? Even a Versys motor in a KLR frame or as mentioned earlier, SV650 motor in DR650 frame. It can't be that hard!
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:04 PM   #11
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The CrossRunner would be a nifty alternative to the VFR, though it really should be a shafty given how heavy it already is. Why quibble over a few lbs more? Without that, it would be up against the lighter and more capable Tiger twins.
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Old 09-29-2013, 07:25 PM   #12
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Even these bikes mentioned are a little street oriented for my liking...... Take them off-road and you're hosed. When is one of the big four going to make a dirt worthy ADV that isn't a thumper?
I think it depends on your definition of dirt worthy. If you mean gnarly single track then I suppose, but less than that and I'd suspect you'd have more than a few Tenere owners, both past and present, single and twin, argue with you on how well their bikes work in the dirt.

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Even a Versys motor in a KLR frame or as mentioned earlier, SV650 motor in DR650 frame. It can't be that hard!
I do agree a lot of people would like to own something along these lines, I sure would. Quite a few companies offered mid size twin ADV style bikes in the past which seem so close to what many want now.

Kawi made the KLE500 twin which was close, it just needs updating.

Honda made the TransAlp 650 and Africa Twins in 650 and 750, and the XLV750R twin with shaft drive.

Yamaha made the smaller Tenere 750 twin.

Moto Guzzi made the NTX650 twin with shaft drive.

Cagiva made the Elephant 650 twin.

Moto Morini made the Camel 501 twin.

So...... why don't they still make these type of bikes now ????
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Old 09-29-2013, 08:02 PM   #13
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So...... why don't they still make these type of bikes now ????
Because people talk shit ;)

But, hey, things have changed. Honda made a lot of bikes that were WELL ahead of their time, then similar bikes came out later and sold well. Adventure bikes just weren't a thing in the US back then. Why do people even buy CBRs and R1s? Or cruisers. WTF knows. I view them as totally useless and yet people buy them left and right. People are fickle and stupid.

I'm totally serious when saying I want a light twin DP bike, trail bike or scrambler. Or even a 350-450 single that isn't ridiculously expensive and made for racing. A stroked CR250L with a square motor would be just as cheap to build, yet would have a torquey 350cc engine. A CB500x with wire wheels and a tad more suspension wouldn't much if any more expensive than the CB500x. Maybe $6500. But would be a lot more inviting to me.

The problem I see is that everyone is copying each other and not providing a truly wide choice of product. Every bike I see is only a few stupid tweaks away from being ideal to me. But I guess I'm totally unique in my tastes or something. I guess so since I bought a Sabre 700, a VT Ascot and a Hawk GT, all sales flops.

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Old 09-29-2013, 08:27 PM   #14
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It just dawned on me today that I need an affordable, two-up capable ADV bike. My girlfriend and I were tooling around on some paved back roads here in west TN on my 2013 CB1100.
There were several roads we encountered that abruptly turned to gravel or a pebbly sand mix. The CB with a passenger is a bit squirrelly off the asphalt to say the least!
We generally ride a couple hundred miles on a Sunday, sometimes more sometimes less. We just wanted to see where those unpaved roads would take us, but not on this CB.
The Honda Crosstourer seems like a nice fit................now if I could just find one here in the US.
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Old 09-29-2013, 09:13 PM   #15
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I was just thinking this the other day. My DRZ400sm has totally spoiled me for what I like in a street bike.

I came back from a 250 mile day on my early SV650 totally disillusioned. I just don't get along with the riding position anymore. But damn! I love that little motor. It's the main reason I can't seem to get myself to part with the bike.

I'll be sitting on some Stroms at the IMS this year to maybe be a garage mate to the DRZ, but funds even after selling the SV would still be too low.

A DRSV650 is a nice dream though.
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