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Old 10-03-2013, 07:38 AM   #31
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radiant barrier. I thought it was BS until I did some research. It really doesn't add much of anything to cost anyway. I also used it above the spray foam on my roof deck of the lodge before putting down my metal roof. (http://skylodgevacation.com/ecofriendly.html) Unlike my 27 year old home without anything under the slab, the entire old place uses an amazingly small amount of propane each year. I heat the basement at home and it is still cool and damp. The lodge is not heated down there yet the basement is dry and warm just from the small amount of radiant heat coming off the pex lines that go to the baseboards upstairs. Insulation certainly pays for itself and there is only one time to do it unlike cheap heating units that can easily be replaced.
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:50 PM   #32
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What are you using to insulate under and around the edges of the slab? Our local dumb fucks at our highway garage did it themselves without any insulation. My tax dollars now pay to heat the parking area around the garage with all the escaped heat, not to mention they installed overhead FA heaters later.

right now thinking 1" blue or pink board (looking for well priced 2" or 3" foam board) taped sealed seams then overlay that with layer of ....


54 - Low-E Reflective Foil Insulation
Low-E foil insulation is extremely easy to install and has numerous residential, commercial and recreational applications.

It's thermal resistance, water vapor retarding, wind infiltration barrier, pipe and duct wrap properties mean that Low E insulation can be used in various applications where traditional insulation is not practical. While the Slab Shield "Under Concrete Insulation" has the foil insulation in between two bubble foam layers. This protects the foil from the concrete or water - which in both cases - will eat away the foil if not protected.



Yes block will also carry exterior and interior foam board insulation




6761 - Slab Shield Layout Example

Slab Shield Layout Example. This example shows a typical slab shield application.



This is only an example. Actual layouts vary from job to job




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Old 10-03-2013, 03:48 PM   #33
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Block sand and mortar arrived today.

10" block


Guess Block Layer will begin Friday











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Old 10-03-2013, 04:36 PM   #34
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Dan we put this under most heated floors we pour.

Vapor barrier & insulation in 3/8 inch.
But use rigid on all vertical walls.
This bubblewrap's r-value is bad that way.
Just wondering, why 10" block? Kinda an odd size, nothing wrong with it.
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:51 PM   #35
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Just wondering, why 10" block? Kinda an odd size, nothing wrong with it.


Easier to lug around compared to twelves




Looking at two of the walls as possible pressure walls. One from potential water, the other from interior fill. Only real reason for 10's over eights.



That vap barrier bubble wrap looks just like the low E, I plan on placing over the ridged foam, under slab should give me about r15 against ground and direct heat into slab only
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Glad you thought things out.
Just remember under the slab:
Any electric,water, air lines, things you might need in the future.
My compressor is in another building, so I ran a line under the floor to feed air(no noise)
And wire to switch it.
Floor drains are going away because of possible oil/gas leaks.YMMV
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:50 AM   #37
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Floor drains are going away because of possible oil/gas leaks.YMMV


That's what I thought but township engineer kinda insisted on em.



No block layin till MONDAY
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:51 AM   #38
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radiant heat

Here is a thread were they put pex in the floor IIRC.

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=800260
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:11 AM   #39
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Good thread .What is the plan for the electrical?I would pipe with emt if it is going to be concrete walls.Looks like you are on the way to a great looking garage.
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:57 AM   #40
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Congratulations on getting your project started. You can never have too much space.

And if that neighbor gets too pesky, just invite some of your adventure friends over for a little party.
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Good thread .What is the plan for the electrical?I would pipe with emt if it is going to be concrete walls.Looks like you are on the way to a great looking garage.


Hmmm.

Block will only be two to three coarse outta ground. 2x6 stick framing over to give me about 10'6" ceiling.

I am torn on conduit.
Like clean industrial look but also nice to have wall plugs flush....


May just put all 12 3 wire in studs.
run all 240 in conduit runs.

need 240 to
boiler
compressor
welder.



Only 100amp service. remote sub panel from house.

That's still a ways away
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Old 10-06-2013, 11:39 AM   #42
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Been away from the computer for a day or two (been busy crashing dirt bikes) so apologies for the late reply, thanks for the info on the area and local ordinances. There are a few things we could learn from you guys, I like the idea of posting the permit, that's good for keeping the neighbourhood involved.

Lots of other good info here and again it's different in so many small ways from our methodology, for example you measure your insulation differently too us, it's a factor of 10 greater (in measurement, not performance) than our ratings.

The garage sounds like a great space, I'm decidedly envious of that much area, hope your blocks get laid today (it's monday here already).
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Old 10-06-2013, 01:18 PM   #43
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Been away from the computer for a day or two (been busy crashing dirt bikes) so apologies for the late reply, thanks for the info on the area and local ordinances. There are a few things we could learn from you guys, I like the idea of posting the permit, that's good for keeping the neighbourhood involved.

Lots of other good info here and again it's different in so many small ways from our methodology, for example you measure your insulation differently too us, it's a factor of 10 greater (in measurement, not performance) than our ratings.

The garage sounds like a great space, I'm decidedly envious of that much area, hope your blocks get laid today (it's monday here already).


Whatever the space, it won't be big enough.... I have heard this cry from everyone who has built before


Looks like heavy rain overnight and into Monday so I don't have high hopes on block work.


The permits vary. Not sure they keep you involved as much as responsible in following proper construction practice.

Required inspection times are
1 footer
2 framing
3 plumbing prior to cover
4 final

5 Electricial must be done using an 3rd party inspector. All wiring must follow NEC code http://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-standa...e=code&code=70
here's 1000 pages to make your head spin
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Old 10-08-2013, 03:14 PM   #44
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Weather is nice and sunny again.

Marty came out and started the block all lookin good.


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Block is almost finished....


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