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Old 05-06-2014, 05:09 AM   #421
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Realistically, less than one percent of one percent of Tiger owners will ever find themselves in a position to test this for a number of reasons.

If you want to be realistic, there it is.
Do us all a favor and burn your soap box, that or put your tools down and get out of your shed. Or better yet, pretend to do some research.

More owners than not, in my area, ride more technical trails, more frequently on Tigers than any other big bike. The theoretical issue with the sump guard has so far been moot. Damage to the drain plug boss, front bracket, all four rubber mounts and significant amount of straightening of the different manufacturer guards had been done repeatedly, with no sump guard damage.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bomber, I'm saying there is enough evidence to prove statistically that it HAS done the job, and done it well, under extreme riding conditions. AND that Tiger owners are out on the trails more than you can see from all your years experience.

I haven't heard of one case of, well, a cracked case, while there are lots of examples of smashed plates, broken mounts and bent brackets.
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:00 AM   #422
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More owners than not, in my area, ride more technical trails, more frequently on Tigers than any other big bike.
Technical single track? On a Tiger? Okay, sure. Maybe the single track isn't as technical there.

I have a DRZ for technical single track. Tried some with the KTM, but it is unwieldy on true single track due to the weight. It pushes in the turns and often can't get a good run-up for climbs. I can't imagine the Tiger being any better at it. But that is where I've encountered things like rock step-ups, fallen logs, etc. to hit with the plate. Trails would be an all-day wrestling match with a Tiger.

If, instead, you are talking about riding jeep-style double track, or just fire roads and such, and call that trails, well, okay. I can see the Tiger or the KTM doing fine there. And, rarely taking a big hit on the skid plate. I don't call that trails, maybe you do.

Perhaps we're talking apples and oranges here. Many adventure riders seem to label double track and dirt roads as "trails" and "off road" when in fact they are roads. If that is the case I can understand where you are coming from and agree that it won't be a problem for the majority of riders, as I stated before.

I bought the Tiger specifically for riding roads like this, but know it would suck on what I consider "trails" because that is out of its element. I can't see anyone taking it on the Rim Trail in Cloudcroft, NM, for example. At least not without a lot of non-riding work getting it through the tough sections. And maybe that little Warn winch attached.
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:05 AM   #423
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Do us all a favor and burn your soap box, that or put your tools down and get out of your shed. Or better yet, pretend to do some research.

More owners than not, in my area, ride more technical trails, more frequently on Tigers than any other big bike. The theoretical issue with the sump guard has so far been moot. Damage to the drain plug boss, front bracket, all four rubber mounts and significant amount of straightening of the different manufacturer guards had been done repeatedly, with no sump guard damage.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bomber, I'm saying there is enough evidence to prove statistically that it HAS done the job, and done it well, under extreme riding conditions. AND that Tiger owners are out on the trails more than you can see from all your years experience.

I haven't heard of one case of, well, a cracked case, while there are lots of examples of smashed plates, broken mounts and bent brackets.
Where is that? I love to go check these riders in action.
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:13 AM   #424
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Where is that? I love to go check these riders in action.
And MotoTex, yes to both Woods Roads not being technical single track and Yes to actually riding Tigers on technical single track.

Granted we do ride more Hero III - III+ woods roads, but we also ride quite a bit of trails around here that we probably shouldn't. More for WTF are you doing this on a 500 pound bike than you're going to get busted.

FWIW it's usually tearing up dirt roads that does more damage than the trials
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:24 AM   #425
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Where is that? I love to go check these riders in action.
The Berkshire Big Bike Adventure is coming up. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=948320

The hero sections are a must. Also the NETRA club that puts that on offers a DS ride later in the year. It's a small bike friendly DS route but some crazy's have been out there on their big bikes. (boinoodle) I ride the BBA and local trails on my XC here in New England. The Triumph Alloy Sump Guard is now a bash plate. The stone wall crossings and loose baby head rocks on hill climbs have been dispatched against the alloy. It is now a lovely wavy organic shape across the bottom. I don't understand why the term "Ride it like you stole it", crosses my mind when I ride this bike. All I know is that I often laugh inside my helmet at the places I navigate through. I came down a bombed out trail to find a dad and his son riding in the clearing below. They looked at me and asked, "Did you ride THAT down that trail from that hill?" LOL YUP! "#@$% we don't even take our dirt bikes on that trail."
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Old 05-06-2014, 07:24 AM   #426
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Bluhduh Sorry for the hijack

Considering I'm one to "remind" inmates to keep on topic, I'm feeling bad for adding fuel to the skid plate debate.

Here's my attempt at starting a thread for all things we should and shouldn't, can or can't do on a Tiger.

Feel free to continue this "Tiger owners don't ride trails" out of this awesome thread.

You CAN"T do that on a Tiger or Extreme Tiger Antics
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:01 AM   #427
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Okay guys let's stop the little bitch argument going on here everybody has their own opinion you guys are hijacking my thread and I don't appreciate it
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:04 AM   #428
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I think the problem in general, is that Triumph inadvertently created a bike that is more capable than the rider in most cases. Sure, there are some minor details that were design sacrifices for sure, but jeebus, I had no idea I'd be able to and are doing a lot more than I thought I would when I bought it.

Perhaps the fun factor has instilled magical confidence in the riders to go where no BBB has gone before. Maybe it's the fact that every time I try something I succeed, or fail because I suck, not because of the bike, that forces me to try harder....

I've taken my XC up the wrong hill at Hunter Ski Area that wasn't part of the BMW course, only to stop at the top and look back to see all the other bikes laid to waste along the trail. It's those little moments of glory....
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Old 05-06-2014, 08:27 AM   #429
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Mark,
Sorry it turned into yet another ego based event. My intention was to point out that your positioning the bike on the plate ought to be just fine as we have a lot of fear mongering but so far no examples of problems caused by the plates our mounts.
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Old 05-06-2014, 06:23 PM   #430
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Okay guys let's stop the little bitch argument going on here everybody has their own opinion you guys are hijacking my thread and I don't appreciate it
Sorry, are we getting in the way of you pimping shit ? Sorry about that...not sure you've actually given anything in the way of good info have you - you've just promised lots and under-delivered even more.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:52 PM   #431
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Sorry, are we getting in the way of you pimping shit ? Sorry about that...not sure you've actually given anything in the way of good info have you - you've just promised lots and under-delivered even more.
And yet, somehow that justifies you acting like a childish prick??? Seems legit.
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Old 05-06-2014, 10:02 PM   #432
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Any new picks of the baja bikes? Or, dare I ask, a video?
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Old 05-07-2014, 04:13 AM   #433
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And yet, somehow that justifies you acting like a childish prick??? Seems legit.
Oh please, this thread is about pimping shit and lets face it, he's provided little in the way of actual information about setting up a Tigger for out of the way riding.
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Old 05-07-2014, 05:56 AM   #434
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Moving on! I will not respond again out of respect for the OP who has been a good guy to me and many in the Tiger community.
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Any new picks of the baja bikes? Or, dare I ask, a video?

Dare, DARE!
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