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Old 03-03-2014, 03:57 PM   #61
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I get it but

If I chose my rides by parts my garage would be empty. I am not alone just look in the driveways Across this country.

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I'd probably sell the Guzzi if that was the case. The OP was interested in a commuter that would also be used for fun on weekends. This implies long term reliability, low cost of maintenance and little down time. In each of those categories, it is a safe bet to say that there aren't many bikes out there that will beat a Honda.
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Old 03-03-2014, 04:30 PM   #62
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But if you want to consider parts prices, you also need to consider purchase prices (actual OTD prices where you live) You can get an HD200 here for about $1500 less OTD than a PCX150. $1500 buys a lot of parts.
For conversation sake, I paid $3,500 per bike for our PCXes... are you saying you can buy a new SYM HD200 for $2,000?? Let us know where. Last I recall, the MSRP on the SYM HD200 in 2012 was $3,499.

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Old 03-03-2014, 04:45 PM   #63
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I'd probably sell the Guzzi if that was the case. The OP was interested in a commuter that would also be used for fun on weekends. This implies long term reliability, low cost of maintenance and little down time. In each of those categories, it is a safe bet to say that there aren't many bikes out there that will beat a Honda.
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I stated in post #16 of this thread that you can't go wrong with either scoot. I never bashed or said a bad word about Honda. I have a few of my own.

What I do find interesting is that the biggest bitching about parts comes from third party distributers. I assume you are not an SYM dealer. It seems that those that are get parts faster, no surprise. I know you'll tell me about a customer/customers that wait months for parts. I don't see it and I see plenty of SYM product on the road here.

Hondas great and they service my Goldwing since new. The same guys that work on it will tell me that scooter work is "the red headed stepchild" in their shop. Short straws drawn to see who does the work. Warms my heart.

I'm sure that's the exception not the rule.

Dealer network is a work in progress and is very thin in some areas, but growing. Many Kymco, Genuine etc dealers are now taking on SYM. I'll also bet the farm the financing will be in place by years end.

Hondas dealer network was thin in the 1960's back when that "made in japan junk" hit our shores. Parts were also an issue. Seems to have worked itself out.

I said in an another thread I had the pleasure of riding a PCX extensively and its one fine scoot.

That said my choice would be another SYM. I have a ton of miles on a Lance 2010 Cali Classic and my RV200 gets rode everyday, sometimes hard. I have dealer support in two locations and have never had a long layup.

Ill agree to disagree on the part issues. Real or perceived.

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Old 03-03-2014, 04:48 PM   #64
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For conversation sake, I paid $3,500 per bike for our PCXes... are you saying you can buy a new SYM HD200 for $2,000?? Let us know where. Last I recall, the MSRP on the SYM HD200 in 2012 was $3,499.

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I'll take a dozen at $2000.00!

Between 3000.00 and 3100.00 out the door best I've seen for the HD and a few hundred more for the RV.

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Old 03-03-2014, 06:47 PM   #65
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I ride a SYM HD 200. I've bought parts from a dealer in Santa Barbara and from online stores specializing in scooters. All were reasonably priced. As the HD 200 rarely has a need for parts, I have come to admire SYM, which I never heard of until I bought this one.

Sure, plastic cladding will cost money (price it out on a Honda VFR - a sobering experience) on most brands and while you are pricing plastic take a look at Vespa and Piaggio.

If we're talking parts and not plastics, the prices are quite reasonable.
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Old 03-04-2014, 12:36 AM   #66
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both pcx150 and hd200evo have the same msrp, I'll go with the hd200 over the pcx150
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Old 03-04-2014, 05:42 AM   #67
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SYM, but for how long?

Metro Atlanta has a population of 5.5 million people (includes surrounding counties). Scooters while not rare, are few and far between compared to traditional motorcycles.

One of our two local Vespa dealers carries SYM/Lance in addition to Genuine. The other dealer is exclusive Vespa/Piaggio.

That dealer has not had an HD200 for sale for over a year (they've had an RV200 on the floor for most of that time). The last they had took almost a year to sell.

This is the 2nd largest metro area in the southeastern US. How will SYM ever survive if they are essentially invisible in a large southern city like this? You can't live only off of customers in Florida and California..

I like their products, but question the long term viability of their sales & support in the US.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:32 AM   #68
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Metro Atlanta has a population of 5.5 million people (includes surrounding counties). Scooters while not rare, are few and far between compared to traditional motorcycles.

One of our two local Vespa dealers carries SYM/Lance in addition to Genuine. The other dealer is exclusive Vespa/Piaggio.

That dealer has not had an HD200 for sale for over a year (they've had an RV200 on the floor for most of that time). The last they had took almost a year to sell.

This is the 2nd largest metro area in the southeastern US. How will SYM ever survive if they are essentially invisible in a large southern city like this? You can't live only off of customers in Florida and California..

I like their products, but question the long term viability of their sales & support in the US.
There is no question that the dealer network is sparse, but growing.

A network compreble to vespa, honda etal does not happen overnight. It takes some time. Its way to early for the "how long" conversation. Distribution on a national level is a work in progress and if they are a thinking company they will grow the markets you speak of. Georgia in General is a black hole for SYM dealers.

I'd need to talk to that dealer and see if he tries to sell me a SYM when I come in to see one or he leads my over to his other products.

That said they may also find that they are better served not hitching up with the vespa dealers of the world. They are better suited and have been growing in shops that already deal in Taiwanese scooters.

Time will tell.

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Old 03-04-2014, 06:30 PM   #69
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I don't know why so many are so hung up on having a broad dealer network. This will really put a limit on some great machines. I've always enjoyed having unique machines such as Moto Guzzi, Aprilia, Beta, along with my current Piaggio and Kymco. It sometimes takes a little more effort for parts, but there have always been some great enthusiastic dealers that specialize in these marks and can get stuff quickly once you know where to go. Seems like the local mainstream HondaSuzikiKawasakiYamaha dealers don't carry that much stock anymore and have to order anyway. May as well order from the specialist and get the items in a few days via UPS at your doorstep rather than making another trip back to the dealer. Yeah, yeah I know some will say; "you got to support your local dealers", really? I support the enthusiastic specialists that have a real love for these unique marks, rather than the uninterested kid at the HondaSuzikiKawasakiYamaha shop that doesn't give a shit. Also helps to be able to do your own maintenance and repairs.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:49 PM   #70
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What alphaBETAdog said. I went into my local hondasuzukikawasakiyamaha shop recently to buy a common part for my dual sport. Response: "Well, we don't actually have that in stock, but we can order it for you and give you a call when it's in".

I live 30 miles away, so I get to drive 120 miles to buy a part? Could have gotten it online and never left home.

BTW, there's an excellent SYM dealer in Santa Barbara. When I need parts, which is rare, I call him. Order arrives on my doorstep in three days.
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Old 03-05-2014, 03:07 AM   #71
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I glad to see all of this discussion about the two scooters.
I still haven't picked up either. Finding used PCX's at new or above new prices on my local cl and a shortage of SYM's in the area.
Still looking and taking in all this new information.
Leaning toward the SYM though the right one at the right price is always a factor when your cheap like me.
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Old 03-05-2014, 04:16 AM   #72
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Nothing to do with SYM HD200 versus Honda PCX but never the less a handful of scooter and gear reviews. I hope it helps.
http://www.justgottascoot.com/reviews.htm

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Old 03-05-2014, 11:53 AM   #73
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I own the PCX forum, and have read every single post ever made there (over 30k!), so I guess that makes me the unofficial guru of all things PCX. I'll clear up some misconception here:

The valve change intrevals recommended by Honda are ludicrous, and not followed anywhere other than in the USA.

My valves were out of spec at the first change, but have been fine every check since. Still perfectly in spec 8k miles later. I originally preached the "follow the manual" bullshit, but REALLY. IT'S NOT NECESSARY to check them every 2.5k. Regardless, the procedure is EASY and well-documented here: http://hondapcx.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24. The PCX has two valves, and will either a) not start well or b) cut out at WOT if the valves go out of spec. Most riders overseas just ride and ignore the valves completely, only touching them if issues occur.

The PCX is a superior bike in every way. Fit and finish is better, the PGM-FI system and eSP are both awesome, delivering far superior gas mileage. There are virtually no failures for the PCX, Honda has a great warranty and reliability, and there's no fiddly carb to dick around with or get messed up. I get 95mpg with my PCX, including some highway riding inside the city.

I really don't see how some users here think a carb is a good thing. It's outdated technology, and reflects in the gas mileage -- look on Fuelly: (http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/sym/hd2%20200i vs http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/pcx. There's obviously many, many times more PCXes out there by the Fuelly numbers too. I think that alone is a good argument.


I also saw someone say further up that the PCX had an oil filter -- this is untrue, the PCX only has a fiddly little oil screen. You want to do oil changes every 5k as recommended and stick to that as a result. Here's the recommended maintenance intervals for the PCX: http://hondapcx.org/download/file.php?id=384


I don't see why you don't get a used one -- you can usually find a lightly used PCX 150 for $2500 or so pretty easily, just watch Craigslist. They're bulletproof, you can't really kill one, so used seems like a win to me.
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Old 03-12-2014, 10:54 PM   #74
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I'll have to give a thumbs up to the SYM HD200 over the PCX 150 simply due to the extra speed that you'll achieve with the HD200.

I just picked up a used HD200 and have already taken it on the freeway. I live in Orange County, CA and took my HD200 up the 405 to the Westminster Mall and then down the 405 to the 55 east to Santa Ana and I felt the HD200 held up well during the ride. I saw indicated speeds up to 80mph and I'm pretty sure this is something that the Honda can't do.

Hondas have a reputation of having great fit and finish but my HD200 seems to be pretty well built without any noticeable panel gaps so the main advantage the PCX would have over the HD200 is fuel injection but having a carbureted engine isn't the end of the world. My HD200 does idle a little rough during a cold start but it gets much smoother as the engine warms up.

Some might argue about the MPG advantage that the PCX 150 has over the HD200 but I'd gladly give up some MPG to be able to go much faster.
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Old 03-13-2014, 05:39 PM   #75
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On SYM's (Alliance Powersports) site...

http://www.alliancepowersports.com/models/hd.html

... they state the mpg as 70 (about 30 mpg less than the PCX) and the top speed as 72 mph (about 4 mph more than the PCX). Just trying to give some info as presented by the US distributor. With 15.3 hp (vs 13.5 for the PCX) and dry weight of 297 pounds (vs 286 with full fuel/oil for the PCX), those numbers sound pretty realistic. The bikes are closer in those specs than 150 vs 200 might have you believe - the PCX is 153cc, the HD200 is 171cc).

As long as those numbers fit how one would expect to use the bike, sounds like either would do the job.

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