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Old 11-06-2013, 07:01 AM   #46
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I love the 'gilled' look on the bodywork of BMW's, however. Puts me in mind of a shark!
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:16 AM   #47
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I'm surprised they dropped the power as much as they did. The '14 Tuono is jumped up to around 170 I believe. I'm sort of digging the new BMW though...

I loves the nekkid class....perfect sport bikes, IMO.
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:51 AM   #48
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I never really liked the look of the s1000rr. The performance is great, but part of buying a sport bike for me is the look and the feel. I think they did a great job with this one, somehow all that goofy bmw styling seems to work with limited bodywork. This looks like a great real world sport bike, the power will be more that enough for mortals. Like others have said -- lots of good options in this class now. If I was in the market I would wait for the EBR offering and then decide and jump in. Seems like the golden age for naked bikes, with the Z100O, SDR1290, 1200 monster, S1000R, tuono, brutale, upcoming EBR... I just picked up an RC8R or I'd be all over one of these.
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Old 11-06-2013, 02:24 PM   #49
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I would like to try that kit but I'll cut down the bar as much as possible to ease lane spliting and not block the view of my mirrors.


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Been considering this kit for mine. Comes with front brake line extension and looks easy to install

http://www.spieglerusa.com/handlebar...n-kit-4246.htm

hate to break up the profile though

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Old 11-06-2013, 05:49 PM   #50
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from an aesthetic/design standpoint, it does nothing for me, just another superbike with less plastic and a handlebar. will it most likely be an incredible road bike? absolutely. that thing is going to go like stink in the canyons.

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Old 11-10-2013, 09:02 PM   #51
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Old 11-11-2013, 09:37 AM   #52
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Had me right up to the "retuned" engine part. Seriously, fuck that. Aprilia gets that you don't have to neuter a sportbike to make a standard. Ducati is starting to get it. Why can't BMW just put the same RR engine in there and leave it at that? What's gained by putting in less motor?
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:03 AM   #53
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Had me right up to the "retuned" engine part. Seriously, fuck that. Aprilia gets that you don't have to neuter a sportbike to make a standard. Ducati is starting to get it. Why can't BMW just put the same RR engine in there and leave it at that? What's gained by putting in less motor?
It is not neutered and it sure isn't "less motor," it is the same motor tuned for more low/mids, more torque, easier acceleration - you know, the stuff that matters most everywhere except on the racetrack. The R delivers MORE power for 3/4 of the band, when the RR takes off and says goodbye.

It is a more street/canyon oriented bike. I would guess that most street riders will go quicker on the R than the RR.
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:07 AM   #54
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Had me right up to the "retuned" engine part. Seriously, fuck that. Aprilia gets that you don't have to neuter a sportbike to make a standard. Ducati is starting to get it. Why can't BMW just put the same RR engine in there and leave it at that? What's gained by putting in less motor?
I hear you. I always liked the Aprilia's for that. The V4 Tuono started out de-tuned, but has slowly ramped up...they always had more mid-range torque in their tuning, however...which is perfect for a street-fighting sport bike. Much over 120mph on a naked is a test of grip strength overcoming wind drag....
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Old 11-11-2013, 10:17 AM   #55
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Had me right up to the "retuned" engine part. Seriously, fuck that. Aprilia gets that you don't have to neuter a sportbike to make a standard. Ducati is starting to get it. Why can't BMW just put the same RR engine in there and leave it at that? What's gained by putting in less motor?
They did exactly what a naked roadster requires - turned a peaky hp motor into more of a broad torque curve motor. at a loss of, what, exactly in real-world terms? Hell that thing should be faster in almost any standard road bike test, 0-60, top gear roll on 60-80. Around 60 lb-ft of torque starting at 3k RPM? Yes please!

When the power might begin to matter above 120 the R is hamstrung by aerodynamics. Well worth it for a more rideable bike, and I wouldn't be surprised if the R is electronically speed limited anyway.
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Old 11-11-2013, 11:36 PM   #56
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Please show me a dyno comparison that shows that this "re-tuned" motor makes more torque than the RR motor. I've heard this BS argument for years, and have yet, do date, ever seen one of these detuned engines that produced more torque than the full power version. They might make a flatter curve, and that might make it easier to ride for some people, but I've yet to see one that made more of anything than the stock motor.
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Please show me a dyno comparison that shows that this "re-tuned" motor makes more torque than the RR motor. I've heard this BS argument for years, and have yet, do date, ever seen one of these detuned engines that produced more torque than the full power version. They might make a flatter curve, and that might make it easier to ride for some people, but I've yet to see one that made more of anything than the stock motor.
Try the first page of this very thread...
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Old 11-12-2013, 12:42 AM   #58
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Is the gearing similar to the S1000RR?

I suspect that because the redline is lower, they'll have to gear it longer for it to hit the equivalent speeds per gear. I think the longer gearing would negate the additional torque.
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:42 AM   #59
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Please show me a dyno comparison that shows that this "re-tuned" motor makes more torque than the RR motor. I've heard this BS argument for years, and have yet, do date, ever seen one of these detuned engines that produced more torque than the full power version. They might make a flatter curve, and that might make it easier to ride for some people, but I've yet to see one that made more of anything than the stock motor.
Pretty much.

Guys are taking Daytona 675 cams and putting them on the "re-tuned" street triples. Result, at no point from 0-redline did the stock street triple cam make more power than the daytona cams. It was close at like 4 grand.

This is usually the case, it certainly was when I rebuilt my Speed Triple with Daytona parts, to the tune of 7-9hp and 8-9ft/lbs from 4000 RPM plus.
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Old 11-12-2013, 05:59 AM   #60
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Is the gearing similar to the S1000RR?
Same as S1000RR, 17/45.

Doesn't mean transmission gearing is the same although I would imagine it is.
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